43000 people forced to move because of benefit cap

rickbonar

This cap is important because many of the rents in these places are way too high and greedy landlords have for years known the the housing benefit will pay.

The real scroungers more often than not are these landlords.

I believe the the cap should be more stringent.

It boils down to this the tenants rents are say £699 per week and until the cap they (housing benefits would pay)

Now the people will have to move ..... leaving the house or accommodation empty... now the landlord will have to find a new tenant but if he manages to do so it won't be paid by HB.

So it will be someone who has the money .... now unless they're crazy I would not think people would pay this sort of rent out of their own money......leaving the landlord either to drop the rent or sell up.

And that's the real issue here.

ukcarper

rickbonar wrote: »

This cap is important because many of the rents in these places are way too high and greedy landlords have for years known the the housing benefit will pay.

The real scroungers more often than not are these landlords.

I believe the the cap should be more stringent.

It boils down to this the tenants rents are say £699 per week and until the cap they (housing benefits would pay)

Now the people will have to move ..... leaving the house or accommodation empty... now the landlord will have to find a new tenant but if he manages to do so it won't be paid by HB.

So it will be someone who has the money .... now unless they're crazy I would not think people would pay this sort of rent out of their own money......leaving the landlord either to drop the rent or sell up.

And that's the real issue here.

How many people get £699 a week not many I would suggest and they would all be in London.

I think you would struggle to find anywhere outside the London and the South-East where maximum LHA is more than £250 a week.

rickbonar

A lot of them are in London yes.

How many get £699? not many by earning, unless they're a landlord of course who often make many times that!
(not necessarily on one property though)

I believe the cap is £400 a week and there are quite a few that come in that category hence 43,000 people to move.

Some interesting articles below...........do take a read.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1293730/Somali-asylum-seeker-family-given-2m-house--complaining-5-bed-London-home-poor-area.html


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1253151/Somali-woman-claim-benefits-burden-social-assistance-landmark-EU-ruling.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1232386/Dutch-mother-posed-penniless-Somalian-immigrant-claim-70-000-benefits.html


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1231795/Taxpayers-pay-1-600-week-family-ex-asylum-seekers-live-luxury-storey-home.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1295601/Somali-refugee-given-2-1million-taxpayer-funded-house-owed-7-000-rent-previous-home.html


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3586390/Romanian-gangs-800k-benefits.html

ukcarper

rickbonar wrote: »

A lot of them are in London yes.

How many get £699? not many by earning, unless they're a landlord of course who often make many times that!
(not necessarily on one property though)

I believe the cap is £400 a week and there are quite a few that come in that category hence 43,000 people to move.

Some interesting articles below...........do take a read.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1293730/Somali-asylum-seeker-family-given-2m-house--complaining-5-bed-London-home-poor-area.html


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1253151/Somali-woman-claim-benefits-burden-social-assistance-landmark-EU-ruling.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1232386/Dutch-mother-posed-penniless-Somalian-immigrant-claim-70-000-benefits.html


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1231795/Taxpayers-pay-1-600-week-family-ex-asylum-seekers-live-luxury-storey-home.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1295601/Somali-refugee-given-2-1million-taxpayer-funded-house-owed-7-000-rent-previous-home.html


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3586390/Romanian-gangs-800k-benefits.html

I'm not against the cap. I’m not sure how accurate the 43000 figure is but not many of them will be claiming as much as your examples.

FTBFun

rickbonar wrote: »

Some interesting articles below...........do take a read.

Sorry I think you haven't finished your post? These were just links to stories by the Mail and the Sun.

MsHoarder

ceebeeby wrote: »

Oooh, here's an idea, could we feasibly have a 'payment' break from benefits for one week in two or three months time (or one week every year)? Everyone gets the opportunity to 'save' for it - and for one week, we'll pay out absolutely NOTHING in benefits to anyone - no housing benefit, nothing.

Salaried people will largely be unaffected because they would get wages but would be short of things like child benefit, tax credits etc. and people with private pensions would get them.

How much would that save?

The other group of people who would be unaffected would be those playing the system who seem to have lots of money around. The group which would have the biggest problem would be honest people who have fallen on hard times. And those with unsympathetic landlords (i.e. those in private sector rented accommodation, not those in council flats)

And once you have all the people who aren't already breaking the law out on the streets and desperate for food, how does that help? Its more expensive to deal with emergency cases than to plan support for people. Or do you want to let the workless starve?

The_White_Horse

who cares about these people being made homeless??? they shouldn't have been in these homes in the first place. the benefit cap is still way too high. no one on benefits should ever get more than a 2 bedroom flat. people in 3 and 4 bedroom houses, given to them by the state is sickening. a disgusting slap in the face to the millions who work and can never dream of living in a 4 bedroom detached.

why should the work shy benefit brigade's children have more rights to bedrooms than those with parents who work hard???? it is a travesty of justice.

2 bed flats is the max the state should ever give to anyone. you want 10 children? fine. but you will have a 2 bed flat and no child benefit. I bet we will suddenly see less births in the chav and immigrant classes.

Percy1983

The_White_Horse wrote: »

who cares about these people being made homeless??? they shouldn't have been in these homes in the first place. the benefit cap is still way too high. no one on benefits should ever get more than a 2 bedroom flat. people in 3 and 4 bedroom houses, given to them by the state is sickening. a disgusting slap in the face to the millions who work and can never dream of living in a 4 bedroom detached.

why should the work shy benefit brigade's children have more rights to bedrooms than those with parents who work hard???? it is a travesty of justice.

2 bed flats is the max the state should ever give to anyone. you want 10 children? fine. but you will have a 2 bed flat and no child benefit. I bet we will suddenly see less births in the chav and immigrant classes.

Maybe we should go in politics together, we need to do it soon before the chavs take over as I don't think they would vote for us.

wotsthat

Percy1983 wrote: »

Maybe we should go in politics together, we need to do it soon before the chavs take over as I don't think they would vote for us.

Don't bet on it. Some (stupid) Turkeys do vote for Christmas.

I know a Labour party volunteer who went from door to door at the last general election. She arrived at a house at around 11am - this caused the lady of the house to have to get out of bed (she only got up because she was expecting a parcel from Next).

When asked if the Labour party could count on her support at the election she said she would be voting Conservative as she thought the system would be streamlined to make benefit claiming easier. Within the last couple of weeks some benefit of one sort or another had been late and she thought the Conservatives would be more efficient at getting benefits to her on time as well.

I was horrified (that someone might vote Conservative TBH) but took solace in the fact that it was highly unlikely that the lazy !!!!! would ever turn up at a polling station anyway.

RJP33

£26k is still way to high, why would someone work on an average wage if the taxpayer will give them enough to live comfortably without working?

And how is it fair for a hard working family not to able to afford to live in the same area? Benefit claimants in some cases are living more comfortable lives than those working.

Unfortunately that will mean some people have to move but it is the right thing to do.