Important MSE Site User Terms Changes

hopefulfooluk

reehsetin wrote:

wouldnt work on my site and doubt it would work on here too!
main reason - advertising, advertisers and spammers have to be banned to maintain the site so people ahve to be banned for that purely

and purely my site mainly but think it could apply for here too (if not only because of one thread posted recently where there was some disgusting behaviour!)
racism is a big issue on my site and no way to get around it without being heavy handed and banning - a majority of the time they would come back and back and back

Oh I totally agree and didn't mean that the technique should be extended to spammers and unwelcome advertisers. I have banned spammers (in fact I've not banned them, I installed the vbulletin "miserable users" hack which redirects them to f***you.com ).

Martin that might be useful for you so get your admins to take a look at it - basically you can configure it how you want but it makes the site really really really slow and/or unpredictable for the person who you've "banned" - and they also can't log out (and thus re-register) so the site is dead to them forever. Very handy! If you want a demo of what it does pm me and i will sort you out with a "miserable" login on my site temporarily.

I still think that alter egos should just be left to burn themselves out - they will sooner rather than later. I was pleasantly surprised!

reehsetin

haha we have that too its brill!

especially when you have people that if you know you ban them they will cause a lot of trouble or others will kick up a stink
just puts them out of action for a bit
bad i know but has to be done sometimes!! we've closed registeration except for paying members so havent had to use it for a while!

Alfie_E

MSE_Martin wrote:

This is because we now use the Google Analytics tool for collecting stats about which articles are most read and what people do, to aid us with the redesign of the site. Don't worry this doesn't mean we know what individuals are doing, it just means we can see patterns of use.

The same can’t necessarily be said of Google. If you don’t want Google spying on you, with its “analytics” or otherwise, below is a list of current domain names to block. The list has been taken from Blocking Unwanted Parasites with a Hosts File. Warning: blocking access to the two analytics sites has the potential to break badly constructed website that absolutely rely on code stored in Google’s files.

adwords.google.com
pagead.googlesyndication.com
pagead2.googlesyndication.com
adservices.google.com
ssl.google-analytics.com
www.google-analytics.com
imageads.googleadservices.com
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pavlovs_dog

MSE_Martin wrote:

9.7 Any decision we make to remove or request the removal of any communication or to terminate or suspend the posting privileges of any user of the Chat Forums shall be final and binding. The termination or suspension of posting privileges shall apply to any and all user accounts that may have been used by that person, whether or not opened by that person.

how does this sit with 'nelly's rule' (ie where in exceptional cases of unusual misdemeanor, a member could be allowed to return after a cooling off spell?)

does that rule still stand, or is it to be replaced by the above?

MSE_Martin

Quote:
Originally Posted by MSE Martin
9.7 Any decision we make to remove or request the removal of any communication or to terminate or suspend the posting privileges of any user of the Chat Forums shall be final and binding. The termination or suspension of posting privileges shall apply to any and all user accounts that may have been used by that person, whether or not opened by that person.


how does this sit with 'nelly's rule' (ie where in exceptional cases of unusual misdemeanor, a member could be allowed to return after a cooling off spell?)

does that rule still stand, or is it to be replaced by the above?

It fits fine with the 'cooling off' situation - hence the use or the term suspend in the terms. A user either has permission to post or isn't at any one time. If they are currently PPR'd they cannot, if they aren't they can.

Martin

Bendybops19

When i was first told about this....i automatically thought it was appalling.
But after reading through, i can see the reasoning behind it and if it sorts out all the problems we have been having, then thats brilliant :T

JDPower

Alfie_E wrote:

The same can’t necessarily be said of Google. If you don’t want Google spying on you, with its “analytics” or otherwise, below is a list of current domain names to block. The list has been taken from Blocking Unwanted Parasites with a Hosts File.

A simpler way, if using Firefox, is to use the Firefox extension Customize Google which gives the option to prevent any information being sent to Google Analytics, as well as many other extremely useful functions.
(Sorry Martin, I don't like being tracked online for any purpose, regardless of how anonymous it is)

jamesd

hopefulfooluk, the use of initial short-term bans for as little as 8 or 24 hours can have value in cautioning people, without causing them to feel that they must sign up a new account to fight things. I don't know if that approach is taken here.

jamesd

I don't generally have a problem with someone coming back under a new ID, so long as the behavior is clearly different, as it must be to avoid them getting banned again. Basically, it's the behavior that's being acted against rather than the person - though that's not the policy here, per the rules.

Nothing wrong with the policy though, it's one of the normal variations and some people will continually cause trouble until being thoroughly blocked by their own ISP.

Having lots of people who can act against other people is higher risk for Martin. Quickly shuffling an obviously improper post to a back room where it can as quickly be moved back out if necessary is less of a risk, though, and that might be one way to decrease reaction time.