Which people carrier to buy/avoid for around £4-5k

Rolandtheroadie

Flyboy152 wrote: »

You didn't look at the 2007 crash test then?

Yep, have done before as well. As I said, kids fine (if you search enough I've said it before). Point being?

How many cars within 150kg of my grand voyager am I likely to meet?

I ride motorbikes too. Wonder what rating NCAP would have given my old Hayabusa?

pitkin2020

Flyboy152 wrote: »

No, but I take calculated and considered risks.



Safety should always be the first consideration when buying a car. Why on Earth would any sensible person, knowing that the car is unsafe, buy something that has a higher degree of risk that is unnecessary?

Firstly the car isn't unsafe, if it was unsafe it wouldn't be allowed on the roads. Its just not as safe as other cars there is a massive difference.

Secondly NCAP only test set types of crashes, whilst they do highlight weaknesses I doubt even the safest car on the market is going to help you in the worst crash imaginable. Will a 5 star rated car save my life should I plunge it off the side of a cliff?? I very much doubt it.

Like I said safety is something to be considered as part of the package I would be more concerned if NCAP said this car should not be on UK roads, but it doesn't therefore its safe enough for it still to be a contender for most people.

pitkin2020

scotsman4th wrote: »

Yep, have done before as well. As I said, kids fine (if you search enough I've said it before). Point being?

How many cars within 150kg of my grand voyager am I likely to meet?

I ride motorbikes too. Wonder what rating NCAP would have given my old Hayabusa?

OMG what are you some kind of reckless fool, you buy a car thats not as safe as a volvo then you ride a motorbike, OMG you have a death wish. I bet you smoke and drink too. I wouldn't be surprised if you went to parties too and listened to music really loudly. LMAO :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Maybe we should all trade in and get a tank, wonder what the NCAP rating on one of those is.......

Flyboy152

pitkin2020 wrote: »

Firstly the car isn't unsafe, if it was unsafe it wouldn't be allowed on the roads. Its just not as safe as other cars there is a massive difference.

Secondly NCAP only test set types of crashes, whilst they do highlight weaknesses I doubt even the safest car on the market is going to help you in the worst crash imaginable. Will a 5 star rated car save my life should I plunge it off the side of a cliff?? I very much doubt it.

Like I said safety is something to be considered as part of the package I would be more concerned if NCAP said this car should not be on UK roads, but it doesn't therefore its safe enough for it still to be a contender for most people.

I think the addition of ad hominem arguments are not helping the debate. The chances of falling off the edge of a cliff is extremely unlikely and a rather silly example.

However, in comparison to the crash test carried out, there is a much higher risk of being struck by another car from the side, or in a frontal impact.

pitkin2020

Of course the highest risks are frontal and side impacts but like I said the car isn't unsafe like you keep spouting its just not as safe as similar cars. The fact still remains when looking for a car its part of the complete picture of buying a car. What use is the safest car in the world if its not reliable and constantly needs work carried out on.

The safest car in the world is going to be even safer if it never leaves your drive because it never starts. Same as if it runs at 5mpg, again it will extremely safe as most average people would never drive it. Hence why I said its a part of the complete picture, all aspects of the car has to be taken into account. I never said safety shouldn't be considered but if it was the only factor people considered when buying a car you wouldn't see many different types of cars on the road, you certainly wouldn't see any sports cars for a start!!!

Flyboy152

pitkin2020 wrote: »

Of course the highest risks are frontal and side impacts but like I said the car isn't unsafe like you keep spouting its just not as safe as similar cars. The fact still remains when looking for a car its part of the complete picture of buying a car. What use is the safest car in the world if its not reliable and constantly needs work carried out on.

The safest car in the world is going to be even safer if it never leaves your drive because it never starts. Same as if it runs at 5mpg, again it will extremely safe as most average people would never drive it. Hence why I said its a part of the complete picture, all aspects of the car has to be taken into account. I never said safety shouldn't be considered but if it was the only factor people considered when buying a car you wouldn't see many different types of cars on the road, you certainly wouldn't see any sports cars for a start!!!

What's the use of a reliable car, with the highest specification, if you die when it bumps into a tree?

Rolandtheroadie

Flyboy152 wrote: »

What's the use of a reliable car, with the highest specification, if you die when it bumps into a tree?

If if's and and's were pots and pans there'd be no need for tinkers.

Build a bridge big man, get over it;)

bigjl

Always liked the look of the Grand Voyager but fuel consumption and spares prices put me off.

As did the NCAP crash test results.

Anybody that says the test are irrelevant is only saying that due to their car scoring badly.

I know several Executive Private Hire drivers that have had Grand Voyagers and they all moan about the running costs, but they are a lot cheaper to buy than the only other real option which would be a Merc Vaino(spelling?) thingy.

The new one is properly ugly aswell, I know they wanted to creat a brand look but a 300C it is not.

If you like one then go for it.

But not my bag, especially when the Galaxy is so much nicer to drive and a manual box one can crack 45mpg easily, don't know about the new one though, all my PH mates had the old one, though my sister has a new one and even though it is rarely used they got well over 40mpg going to Scotland with the BiL driving and a roofbox on, that is a manual box though.

If you need the room then there is little as big as the Grand Voyager, the smaller Voyager is pointless as far as I am concerned.

k4kate

Hi Jimmy - just dipping in from work so can't really read the whole thread but in answer to your question about the Estima... it's pretty much the same thing as the Lucida. There are a few variants including the Emina that are variations on a theme.

If you check out the Estima owners club website there is lots of info:

http://www.teoc.ws/

pitkin2020

Flyboy152 wrote: »

What's the use of a reliable car, with the highest specification, if you die when it bumps into a tree?

Hence the balance.............maybe if you stepped off the soap box for a minute you would see that several times I have said its a balance of different factors.

I have never said NCAP isn't important but its not everyones top priority, if it were, like I have already said there would be no motorbike riders and no kit car owners for a start.