Which Mac Book?

23n1th

mrochester wrote: »

Have you managed to find the link to that sub £500 laptop that matches the £1800 MBP spec?

Given not sub but +£80 and you get the Acer 5750,

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Acer-i7-2630QM-Processor-RAM-HDD/dp/B004VE733S/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1308607488&sr=8-3

http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/Acer_Aspire_5750_1068073.html

Hell for less than half the price you could get this:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004VE740K/ref=noref?ie=UTF8&s=computers&psc=1

Dedicated graphics, double the ram, bluray player. Ouch.

mrochester

All of the linked laptops fall short of the MBP spec (physically larger, worse battery, no backlit keyboard, worse graphics, plastic construction) so it's not really a fair comparison. Have you got anything in mind that actually matches the MBP spec?

23n1th

mrochester wrote: »

None of these appear to match the spec of the MBP. They're short on:

battery life
physical size (this needs to be no more than 2.5cm thick)
graphics
back lit keyboard
thunderbolt
unibody construction.

I'm sure it was an innocent mistake on your part, so would you be able to go back and take a look again to find the laptop that matches all of the spec of the MBP?

I'll tell you what you go and take a look I've looked and found reasonable equivalents for a lot lot cheaper.

Those laptops above might not match exactly but seeing as the cheapest is just over a quarter of the price I'm sure you'll understand (not to mention if you take into account the laptop for under half the price your getting higher specs as mentioned).

Of course I know you'll not be trying seriously to justify (like you were trying to do underhandedly on the malware issue) an extra 2.5hrs battery life, an led light under the keyboard, dedicated graphics, 0.2mm to 6mm less thickness in a cheap aluminium frame is worth the extra £1261.10?????

Name me anything using thunderbolt that I'm going need that isnt going to use usb :rotfl: Apples firewire couldn't kill off usb I doubt thunderbolt will.

EDIT: oops it seems you've changed you original post. And its always the way with mac fanbois "plastic construction" I'll tell you there's nothing wrong with it.

calrest

My choice is first possibility, because "2.7 GHz", its more effective for a power output.

mrochester

23n1th wrote: »

I'll tell you what you go and take a look I've looked and found reasonable equivalents for a lot lot cheaper.

Those laptops above might not match exactly but seeing as the cheapest is just over a quarter of the price I'm sure you'll understand (not to mention if you take into account the laptop for under half the price your getting higher specs as mentioned).

Of course I know you'll not be trying seriously to justify (like you were trying to do underhandedly on the malware issue) an extra 2.5hrs battery life, an led light under the keyboard, dedicated graphics, 0.2mm to 6mm less thickness in a cheap aluminium frame is worth the extra £1261.10?????

Name me anything using thunderbolt that I'm going need that isnt going to use usb :rotfl: Apples firewire couldn't kill off usb I doubt thunderbolt will.

EDIT: oops it seems you've changed you original post. And its always the way with mac fanbois "plastic construction" I'll tell you there's nothing wrong with it.

To me, and millions of other people, yes it is worth the difference, and I think that's the point you're missing. I had a plastic Samsung laptop before the MBP, and yes the aluminium Mac far exceeds the Samsung in build quality. I'm sorry that you feel that my differing opinion makes me a fanboy, but with a range of both Mac and Windows machines, nothing could be further from the truth.

wba31

I have to say i just like Apple stuff. It's never let me down, it's easy to use, its generally problem free. Even my aging parents can pick a mac up, upload their photos into iPhoto, perform a few crops and edits, rip them to a CD etc etc. Whereas when i pop round and my mother is still working (as in her employed job) on her Windows machine... shes constantly asking me how to do stuff... Im not dissing Windows, so many people buy it that it cant be that bad, but i personally just dont like it, and have no qualm in paying for Apple stuff (ironic in a MSE forum i know!). I cant be bothered with half the crap that my old Vaio used to give me. Random error messages on start up, having to wait 10 minutes before i could use it after switching it on, having to buy a new virus checker every year... Apple OS for me just works. and it's easy.

I cannot comment on Linux as I've never seen it, I have no idea what it looks like, can anyone post a screen shot?

and the thing that bugs me most about Windows? the fanboys. If you love Windows then great, but at least acknowledge that Apple have got some stuff right, even if you prefer Windows! dont hate all the time. It's like being offered a Ferrari or Lambo and being so into one that you claim the other is worse than a Daewoo...

23n1th

mrochester wrote: »

To me, and millions of other people, yes it is worth the difference, and I think that's the point you're missing. I had a plastic Samsung laptop before the MBP, and yes the aluminium Mac far exceeds the Samsung in build quality. I'm sorry that you feel that my differing opinion makes me a fanboy, but with a range of both Mac and Windows machines, nothing could be further from the truth.

To me the extra £1261.10 for a few trivial things seems a little silly, unless of course you must have that apple symbol.

My current acer is going strong 4 years old. Been dropped numerous times just clip the plastic back together, So build quality seems ok with plastic I would imagine a dent in a mac would stay there.

I wonder if you had these complaints about plastic with the old macs. I suppose you have a aluminum TV, phone, etc because plastic = rubbish build quality.

I can only assume you're a fanboy due to your comments about the malware issue, wanting to pay more than you need, and your insistence on the fallacy about build quality of plastic.

23n1th

wba31 wrote: »

I have to say i just like Apple stuff. It's never let me down, it's easy to use, its generally problem free. Even my aging parents can pick a mac up, upload their photos into iPhoto, perform a few crops and edits, rip them to a CD etc etc. Whereas when i pop round and my mother is still working (as in her employed job) on her Windows machine... shes constantly asking me how to do stuff... Im not dissing Windows, so many people buy it that it cant be that bad, but i personally just dont like it, and have no qualm in paying for Apple stuff (ironic in a MSE forum i know!). I cant be bothered with half the crap that my old Vaio used to give me. Random error messages on start up, having to wait 10 minutes before i could use it after switching it on, having to buy a new virus checker every year... Apple OS for me just works. and it's easy.

My computers just work for me too.

I cannot comment on Linux as I've never seen it, I have no idea what it looks like, can anyone post a screen shot?

Heres a screen shot of linux:

and the thing that bugs me most about Windows? the fanboys. If you love Windows then great, but at least acknowledge that Apple have got some stuff right, even if you prefer Windows! dont hate all the time. It's like being offered a Ferrari or Lambo and being so into one that you claim the other is worse than a Daewoo...

I don't hate macs or love windows, I don't like the majority of the !!!!!!!! sprouted about macs is all.

mrochester

To me the extra £1261.10 for a few trivial things seems a little silly, unless of course you must have that apple symbol.

Well, as you said, to you that is the case, but not to everyone. And that's perfectly fine, you're entitled to think what you want.

I wonder if you had these complaints about plastic with the old macs. I suppose you have a aluminum TV, phone, etc because plastic = rubbish build quality.

I'm afraid my current MBP is the first Mac I've ever owned so I can't say if the old plastic machines were just as creaky and flimsy as current plastic laptops. Given the choice between a metal or plastic laptop, I'm going to pick metal every time. I also tend not to move my TV around so it doesn't really matter if it's made of plastic. My phone is made of metal and glass .

I can only assume you're a fanboy due to your comments about the malware issue, wanting to pay more than you need, and your insistence on the fallacy about build quality of plastic.

I think you're getting yourself a bit confused. I think we very clearly agreed that there are no viruses on the Mac in the end, which was precisely my point from the outset. Pay more than I need? Where else can I get a laptop that matches or exceeds the spec of the 13" MBP for less than £900 (and that includes the weight, size, battery life, the material it's made of, the touchpad, the backlit keyboard, the processor, RAM, graphics, hard drive)? I can certainly get a machine for far less that meets some of those specs, but I'm yet to find one that matches them all, for less. Believe me, I spent weeks researching this before purchasing the Mac!

You need to bare in mind that different people have different priorities, budgets and requirements for their computer hardware. One size does not fit all, so while a £500 laptop might be perfectly adequate for what you need, for others this will not be the case.

I'm sure the OP will be very happy with their laptop .

23n1th

mrochester wrote: »

Well, as you said, to you that is the case, but not to everyone. And that's perfectly fine, you're entitled to think what you want.

What I think is general common sense.

I'm afraid my current MBP is the first Mac I've ever owned so I can't say if the old plastic machines were just as creaky and flimsy as current plastic laptops. Given the choice between a metal or plastic laptop, I'm going to pick metal every time. I also tend not to move my TV around so it doesn't really matter if it's made of plastic. My phone is made of metal and glass .

There's the fanboy statements I'm talking about; implying all current laptops made of plastic are "creaky and flimsy". This is not the case at all and you know it.

My phone casing is plastic thats probably why its lighter and thinner than yours without the antenna issue - sorry feature..

I think you're getting yourself a bit confused. I think we very clearly agreed that there are no viruses on the Mac in the end, which was precisely my point from the outset.

No confusion here. I see you're attempting what you've tried to do throughout this thread, trying take things out of context. What we actually agreed on after I'd corrected you was that there might be no traditional viruses for macs but there was worms, trojan horses, spyware, dishonest adware, scareware, crimeware, rootkits, and other malicious and unwanted software or programs.

Your point from the outset is unclear as you were clearly making a generalised statement using a word most people think of as synonymous with all the above mentioned malware and thereafter contradicting yourself by using the term malware which itself describes traditional viruses:

"There are currently no viruses for OSX, but there is malware."

This either points to a disingenuous attempt to make osx sound less susceptible than it in reality is or shows your lack of knowledge. I don't know which is more dangerous.

Pay more than I need? Where else can I get a laptop that matches or exceeds the spec of the 13" MBP for less than £900 (and that includes the weight, size, battery life, the material it's made of, the touchpad, the backlit keyboard, the processor, RAM, graphics, hard drive)? I can certainly get a machine for far less that meets some of those specs, but I'm yet to find one that matches them all, for less. Believe me, I spent weeks researching this before purchasing the Mac!

Oh so we're talking about the 13" model now. Well if you're looking for a mac, which with those "essential" specs you blatantly are (don't try and kid otherwise), you'd be better buying a mac as that is what you're aiming at. I could do the same thing excluding all macs simply but stating certain specs not avaliable on any mac or simply putting a £500 limit at the end. I could do it with a requirement for Bluetooth version 3 or a sim slot as well.

You wont find those exact specs because each manufacturer makes different laptops as you well know. However you didn't look far because this is a rough equivalent: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/252799 which is a better machine for just over half the price of the £999 13" mac.

You need to bare in mind that different people have different priorities, budgets and requirements for their computer hardware. One size does not fit all, so while a £500 laptop might be perfectly adequate for what you need, for others this will not be the case.

My priority is not getting ripped off.

I'm sure the OP will be very happy with their laptop .

I'd hope so for that amount of money.