DLA with OCD?

kezzygirl

If someone mentions suicide and refuses help that is why the mental health act is there-to protect people who are a danger to themselves or others.Therefore if someone mentions their intention it means they want help!-or steps can be put into place to ensure they get the help they need.

bestpud

kezzygirl wrote: »

-genuinely suicidal people who again,like i said mention their intention-they want help.[/B]

argue/debate all u like about this, if someone is going to kill themselves,if they tell another their intention/plan/thoughts it means they want help.
and believe me love,i have knowledge of mental health issues so dont try and tell me about risk of suicide!

whether you

Not necessarily. It can be about putting affairs in order.

A genuinely suicidal person does not always consider talking about it as a route to help, as once in that mindset, they know they won't be stopped anyway.

I'd rather you didn't call me 'love', if it's all the same to you. I've been there and have the T-shirt too and it is well known within the mental health field that people often talk about suicide before going on to do it.

kezzygirl

bestpud wrote: »

Not necessarily. It can be about putting affairs in order.

A genuinely suicidal person does not always consider talking about it as a route to help, as once in that mindset, they know they won't be stopped anyway. no,they probably dont consider it a route to help.but there is potentially that glimmer of hope that no,they dont want to take their life which is why they mention it.

I'd rather you didn't call me 'love', if it's all the same to you. I've been there and have the T-shirt too and it is well known within the mental health field that people often talk about suicide before going on to do it.

Regardless of whether the person is putting their affairs in order,have a specific date in mind,know how,when where they will do it.whether they have protective factors,no protective factors,only thoughts but no intent,thoughts with intent but no plans.....if a person was suicidal to whatever extent,if they say about it,they want help.
Quite possibly they may not be stopped, but through the mental health act where they are detained for their own safety they may be safe that one time.However,it will only take the next time when they cant be helped for them to end their life.

if they were to say anything,like i have mentioned,steps can be put in place to ensure they dont take their life.
whether this keeps them eternally safe or not,the possibility of them taking their life is removed.

My auntie committed suicide last year.Had bipolar and was detained of her own will in a psych hospital after saying she wanted to take her life etc.she agreed to a treatment plan,therapy,change of meds,was concordant with meds,agreed to all that they suggested.she then went home to her sheltered accomodation and asked the warden not to wake her in the morning as she wanted a lay in.
She was found that morning having taken so much meds that if she had of survived,she would have needed a liver transplant.There was no brain activity,so life support was turned off.

she never mentioned her plans/thoughts to anyone to the extent that she was considered 'compliant'.this is why I say if someone really wanted to take their life,they would not say a word.also,in my day to day role in mental health for the nhs,i encounter risk all the time.and i still stand by what i said originally....if someone wants help they will mention their thoughts/intent/plans of suicide.

Heamol

Just a quick comment for the OP: I have a family member who suffered horrendously with OCD and has now overcome 99% of their obsessions and compulsions. We read an excellent book on OCD which really helped: "Loving Someone With OCD" which was co-authored by health experts and an ex-OCD sufferer. Not everything in the book is relevant for all sufferers as they address many different forms of OCD but the basic principles are applicable to everyone suffering from the disease. Hope that helps!

bestpud

kezzygirl wrote: »

Regardless of whether the person is putting their affairs in order,have a specific date in mind,know how,when where they will do it.whether they have protective factors,no protective factors,only thoughts but no intent,thoughts with intent but no plans.....if a person was suicidal to whatever extent,if they say about it,they want help.
Quite possibly they may not be stopped, but through the mental health act where they are detained for their own safety they may be safe that one time.However,it will only take the next time when they cant be helped for them to end their life.

if they were to say anything,like i have mentioned,steps can be put in place to ensure they dont take their life.
whether this keeps them eternally safe or not,the
possibility of them taking their life is removed.

My auntie committed suicide last year.Had bipolar and was detained of her own will in a psych hospital after saying she wanted to take her life etc.she agreed to a treatment plan,therapy,change of meds,was concordant with meds,agreed to all that they suggested.she then went home to her sheltered accomodation and asked the warden not to wake her in the morning as she wanted a lay in.
She was found that morning having taken so much meds that if she had of survived,she would have needed a liver transplant.There was no brain activity,so life support was turned off.[/COLOUR]

she never mentioned her plans/thoughts to anyone to the extent that she was considered 'compliant'.this is why I say if someone really wanted to take their life,they would not say a word.also,in my day to day role in mental health for the nhs,i encounter risk all the time.and i still stand by what i said originally....if someone wants help they will mention their thoughts/intent/plans of suicide.

If someone really wants to take their own life, they may say nothing, or they may tell people.

One example does not disprove that, sad though it is.

People who are genuinely suicidal do talk about it and they don't always want help.

CountryGuy

LadyMorticia wrote: »

I agree with the CBT thing. I know the OP has said that they have tried it before but sometimes two rounds is needed to benefit from it, and it depends how long ago they had it and if they were in the right frame of mind for it at the time. I had CBT when I was a teenager and I wasn't in the right frame of mind at the time so my CPN has said that now I'm older it might have an effect this time. I'm also on the waiting list for exposure therapy for my OCD and severe anxiety (which I'm not looking forward to :eek: but I want to get better so I'll try anything).

Also, CAT therapy might be a possibility too.

and also the person carrying out the CBT, when I had it the 1st session I was told if I didn't feel comfortable with that person I had to say so and they would provide me with a different person. Same goes for any therapy, you need to feel comfortable in their company.

I'm fed up of trying to get them all off my back, I tell them I don't feel suicidal, but they never believe me

LadyMorticia

CountryGuy wrote: »

and also the person carrying out the CBT, when I had it the 1st session I was told if I didn't feel comfortable with that person I had to say so and they would provide me with a different person. Same goes for any therapy, you need to feel comfortable in their company.

I'm fed up of trying to get them all off my back, I tell them I don't feel suicidal, but they never believe me

Definitely. It's important to have a good relationship with a therapist. I get on fantastically with my CPN, but the place I go to is closing down and my CPN will be moving to a different place which doesn't cover the area I'm in so I'll be moving to a different centre with a new CPN. I really hate change and it takes alot for me to trust professionals so I'm really apprehensive about what the new CPN will be like.