MSE News: Government launches back to work programme

cit_k

Richardsct wrote: »

These groups you mention - ex long term sick for example would result in the highest return for providers

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8423775/Half-a-million-sick-are-fit-to-work.html

I dont think thats true.

As the figures from the DWP show they will get LESS than the healthy or the people whose health is improved, you can see for yourself here.

So its basically a lie that the sickest will have more money thrown at them it appears.

Richardsct

Very interesting document you have found

But just looking at page 10 near to the bottom - those on ESA 'Ex IB work related activity group - likely to be fit for work within 3 months'
- the job outcome fee is £3,500 and the sustainment payment is £370

for my group (those over 25) these payments are £1,200 and £250

what do you think?

all the best

cit_k

Richardsct wrote: »

Very interesting document you have found

But just looking at page 10 near to the bottom - those on ESA 'Ex IB work related activity group - likely to be fit for work within 3 months'
- the job outcome fee is £3,500 and the sustainment payment is £370

for my group (those over 25) these payments are £1,200 and £250

what do you think?

all the best

Yes, those are people whose health has improved, or ATOS claims it anyways, as those are the ones that are classified as likely to be fit for work within 3 months.

So assuming there health problems clear up in 3 months, they wont be as hard to place as those who still have health problems.

Yet, those people, who by then will be healthy, are getting lots of money on their behalf, compared to those who are NOT likely to be healthy in 3 months, who get a lot less.

So its not the sick who get the most, its the fit, and those about to be fit soon.

EleanorRig

I have just rang Seetec, who are one of the providers involved with the Work Programme in my local area.
I asked them what exactly they could offer me, taking into consideration the measures I am undertaking myself to gain employment. I was told that, although it is mandatory, the trianing is adapted according to the individual needs, and I would probably not be made to attend the course on a daily basis, but would get phone calls occasionally to keep up to date with my progress.
Thought anyone else in a similar position would find this information useful.

dseventy

ceridwen wrote: »

Howzat for an unsupported statement? (ie the one about "has popular support"):rotfl::rotfl:

Hi Cerdiwen

Its here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8469819/Jobless-should-work-for-their-benefits-say-four-in-five-voters.html

D70

cit_k

dseventy wrote: »

Hi Cerdiwen

Its here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8469819/Jobless-should-work-for-their-benefits-say-four-in-five-voters.html

D70

2407 people were asked their views on that poll, 2407 people who are known to the tory think tank.

Any suprise they voted as they did?

Its a very small unrepresentative sample really.

Googlewhacker

cit_k wrote: »

2407 people were asked their views on that poll, 2407 people who are known to the tory think tank.

Any suprise they voted as they did?

Its a very small unrepresentative sample really.

says he with his labour hat on....

cit_k

Googlewhacker wrote: »

says he with his labour hat on....

I hate labour nearly as much as I hate the tories.

After all, labour invented ESA, and basically tories are carrying on laboru policy, well they would seeing as the now have Frued on their side after he jumped ship from labour.

Richardsct

Couldn't agree with you more, plus labour placed too much pressure on schools and colleges to get passes - it didn't matter what in, my old school last summer proudly boasted '100% pass rate' trouble is the local labour market had no use for most of the kids leaving, basic maths and literacy skills are awful - all this just makes the dole lines that much longer

dseventy

cit_k wrote: »

2407 people were asked their views on that poll, 2407 people who are known to the tory think tank.

Any suprise they voted as they did?

Known to the Tory think tank?

It was a YouGov poll.

I am challenged by Cerdiwen at my comments, when I give the sources, I am told "its a tory think tank".

LOL!

One thinks one is bitter.

D70