MSE News: Government launches back to work programme

Richardsct

Just to quote this from the poll
'Furthermore, half of all voters (50 per cent) think that someone on JSA should have to spend between three and eight hours a day searching for work in order to get welfare payments'

GOD KNOWS HOW THEY WOULD MANAGE THIS

Most employers only accept applications via e-mail, try doing the rounds (shops, agencies) and they'll tell you to 'check the website' or submit your CV via e-mail, you'd be lucky to manage an hour (on a good day!)

a lot of the opinions in the poll, I think stem from the fact that most peolple answering have never been unemployed, either that or most of the respondants read the Mail or Sun newspapers

also its estimated that there may be up to 1 million long term unemployed, how would you manage this number of people doing work for benefit - would it take work away from those currently employed, I'm sure the unions would have something to say about that

dseventy

Richardsct wrote: »

Just to quote this from the poll
'Furthermore, half of all voters (50 per cent) think that someone on JSA should have to spend between three and eight hours a day searching for work in order to get welfare payments'

<shrugs>

Ceridwen was laughing that my comment saying it was "unsupported". She felt strong enough to add not one, but two smileys.

As we can see, it certainly is supported.

I wonder if Ceridwen will respond.

D70

dickydonkin

dseventy wrote: »

<shrugs>

Ceridwen was laughing that my comment saying it was "unsupported". She felt strong enough to add not one, but two smileys.

As we can see, it certainly is supported.

I wonder if Ceridwen will respond.

D70

Do a similar poll in all of the jobcentres in the UK and you will invariably get a different result.:):):)

By the same token - take a poll amongst the general public about longer sentences for criminals and I suspect that it would get overwhelming support - take the same poll in all of the prisons in the UK....You know what the outcome will be.

As there is a higher percentage of employed in this country - it was always likely that such a poll would sway heavily against the unemployed - many of the respondents who I suspect have never been unemployed - particularly in the current climate - but will take any opportunity to kick unemployed people when they are down.

Not dissimilar to many posters on this forum really!

dseventy

dickydonkin wrote: »

Do a similar poll in all of the jobcentres in the UK and you will invariably get a different result.:):):)

By the same token - take a poll amongst the general public about longer sentences for criminals and I suspect that it would get overwhelming support - take the same poll in all of the prisons in the UK....You know what the outcome will be.

Well of course it will. So what do you do? Never take a poll? Of course not, what you do is get YouGov in , who, quote :

YouGov is the authoritative measure of public opinion and consumer behaviour. It is our ambition to supply a live stream of continuous, accurate data and insight into what people are thinking and doing all over the world, all of the time, so that companies, governments and institutions can better serve the people that sustain them.

dickydonkin wrote: »

As there is a higher percentage of employed in this country - it was always likely that such a poll would sway heavily against the unemployed

Yes. Thats why I stated, it had popular support.

D70

dickydonkin

YouGov is the authoritative measure of public opinion

A public of who the majority are employed.

Yes. Thats why I stated, it had popular support.

Again - From the majority of the population - who are employed!

Now if the results of the poll were from a balanced selection of respondents - say 1,000 employed people and 1,000 unemployed, and the result was the same - then such a poll may have some degree of credibility.

A poll is only as good and accurate as the selection of people who respond.

dseventy

dickydonkin wrote: »

A public of who the majority are employed.




Again - From the majority of the population - who are employed!

Finally you agree!

D70

dickydonkin

dseventy wrote: »

Finally you agree!

D70

Rubbish.

Please use my complete post rather than use selective quotes that do not reflect my opinions.

As the poll was undertaken by YouGov - who gather their 'statistics' from online respondents - Ask yourself this - which sector of people are less likely to have internet access?

Yes - you have guessed it - the unemployed and benefit recipients - so I will reiterate, the poll is inaccurate by virtue of the selection of the respondents they use.

YouGov is the authoritative measure of public opinion

But only opinions from members of the public who have access to the internet!

red_devil

ive always believed that these courses like New Deal are just about fiddling the figures and nothing to do with getting you a job. I have recently been on a New Deal and we did quizzes, looked at pictures, crosswords, and a little bit of debating. We also went to the library and the cathedral it was nothing to do with jobseeking tbh we didnt even have to do any jobsearch.

There was a first aid course and that was possibly the only helpful bit. The rest was rubbish and felt like a cross between a prison and a school.:eek:

dickydonkin

dseventy wrote: »

Honestly, I know people won't like this, but make it mandatory to spend 4 hours a day being supervised job-seeking.

Watch the claiments drop, watch the genuinly needy stay.

Has popular support too.

D70

Having read through the article (below), I see no mention of 'supervised job seeking' which you claim has 'popular support'.

Furthermore, half of all voters (50 per cent) think that someone on JSA should have to spend between three and eight hours a day searching for work in order to get welfare payments.

Of course people will demand that jobseekers receiving benefits should be actively seeking work - I agree wholeheartedly with that - but supervised?

That notion is just bizarre and one that you have entered into the equation in an attempt to justify your flawed argument.

The reason you have done that suggests more about your opinions of the unemployed as opposed to the contributors of the poll you refer to.

I don't have any more to add to this thread.

ceridwen

dickydonkin wrote: »

Do a similar poll in all of the jobcentres in the UK and you will invariably get a different result.:):):)

By the same token - take a poll amongst the general public about longer sentences for criminals and I suspect that it would get overwhelming support - take the same poll in all of the prisons in the UK....You know what the outcome will be.

As there is a higher percentage of employed in this country - it was always likely that such a poll would sway heavily against the unemployed - many of the respondents who I suspect have never been unemployed - particularly in the current climate - but will take any opportunity to kick unemployed people when they are down.

Not dissimilar to many posters on this forum really!

Quite:T

There is a rough "rule of thumb" in anything in life - and it goes "To get the answer you want - make sure you ask the right people". Applies personally. Applies publicly.