Railway Station Parking Ticket

vax2002

Fear Fear FEAR...
The simple Truth is NOBODY knows if this is a scam or not.
Everyone else so far is to chicken to find out.
End of story

Stigy

vax2002 wrote: »

Fear Fear FEAR...
The simple Truth is NOBODY knows if this is a scam or not.
Everyone else so far is to chicken to find out.
End of story

£30. Case Closed. Or...(possibly)

£175 (Fine) + £100 (costs) + Compensation (if applicable)+ £15 (Victim Surcharge)....

If that makes me chicken, show me the c0ck!

RENEGADE_2

Stigy wrote: »

Regarding the discounted rate, it's no different to offering a discounted rate for a Penalty Fare that TfL use, bearing in mind the innitial penalty won't be the amount being claimed in a Magistrates' Court.

The information I have hitherto been given to believe is that appeals should go to the Mags court (could be wrong) and that "penalties" are single rate. I know nothing about London but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they too operated a scam. It is the byelaw that offers no discount.

I have just found this from the IRIS (RPSS) site which I paste from FAQs:

Q. And now I have got a letter increasing the charges.

A. The payment of any amount outstanding as shown to be due on the notice is entirely separate to any appeal. If payment has not been received by RPSS, then debt recovery letters are sent to the person named on the notice at the address shown on the notice and these will incur additional charges as notified.

RPSS to receive the payment?

DEBT collectors?

Hang on! Who owes what to whom? East Coast to prosecute for monies not paid to RPSS which EC calls a penalty and the other calls a debt and all with the pledge to involve a 4th party agent before it goes to court???

This is baffling.

Livingthedream

Here's a few threads on Pepipoo, quite a debate on this subject at the moment;

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=60617
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=56348
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=56412

Most seem to think it's a PPC using Bylaws to intimidate or the Train Companies themselves acting as a PPC but not using extortionate penalty charges to make it look more legitimate.

RENEGADE_2

Noooo...it's got nothing to do with the Star Wars film of 1977!!


I've found information on another forum which may give us our biggest clue yet that this stinks of PPC. A certain member called Gan pops up here and there and is convinced that actual Byelaw enforcements have NO appeal procedure, it's court or nothing.

See this (sorry I cannot do link as I am new):
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t48371.html

Livingthedream

There you go Renegade a direct link: http://forums.pepipoo.com/lofiversion/index.php/t48371.html

Stigy

RENEGADE wrote: »

Noooo...it's got nothing to do with the Star Wars film of 1977!!


I've found information on another forum which may give us our biggest clue yet that this stinks of PPC. A certain member called Gan pops up here and there and is convinced that actual Byelaw enforcements have NO appeal procedure, it's court or nothing.

See this (sorry I cannot do link as I am new):
http
/
forums
.pepipoo
.com
/lofiversion/index.php/
t48371.html

Assuming this is a real PCN, and assuming the TOC (East Coast Trains) deal with these in the same way in which they deal with other penalties (Penalty Fares for example). You can appeal this ticket as it stands through RPSS, because it's a civil remedy for a criminal offence. If this is the case, and an appeal is rejected, then the full amount is due. If this goes ignored, then RPSS has every right to add admin fees to it, until eventually they say "sod it", and cancel the notice, going to the Magistrates' Court. If you then chose to appeal the Magistrates' decision, you'll have the case heard by a Judge in the Crown Court.

I think we all agree that this case is somewhat strange, not least because East Coast seem to be issuing their own parking tickets. It seems frankly stupid for them to go and issue the tickets themselves, only to act as a PPC when it comes to the crunch. If they've gone to the effort of making their own tickets, and know only too well how powerful the Byelaws are, why would they chose not to use them if it comes to the crunch? I do think though, if it is genuine, it needs to be clearer, citing the Byelaws and Magistrates' Court only.

Livingthedream

Stigy wrote: »

Assuming this is a real PCN, and assuming the TOC (East Coast Trains) deal with these in the same way in which they deal with other penalties (Penalty Fares for example). You can appeal this ticket as it stands through RPSS, because it's a civil remedy for a criminal offence. If this is the case, and an appeal is rejected, then the full amount is due. If this goes ignored, then RPSS has every right to add admin fees to it, until eventually they say "sod it", and cancel the notice, going to the Magistrates' Court. If you then chose to appeal the Magistrates' decision, you'll have the case heard by a Judge in the Crown Court.

^^^True and that's what puzzles me about this case.

Stigy wrote: »

I think we all agree that this case is somewhat strange, not least because East Coast seem to be issuing their own parking tickets. It seems frankly stupid for them to go and issue the tickets themselves, only to act as a PPC when it comes to the crunch. If they've gone to the effort of making their own tickets, and know only too well how powerful the Byelaws are, why would they chose not to use them if it comes to the crunch? I do think though, if it is genuine, it needs to be clearer, citing the Byelaws and Magistrates' Court only.

Please don't take this the wrong way Stigy, but East Coast is the most vainest Train company operating and sees that all bad publicity has to be avoided at all costs, you don't have to google far to find a case where they've ran for the hills once the bad publicity brigade been after them. You could imagine The Mail's Headliner 'East Cowboy Trains PPC'

RENEGADE_2

When you have requested to have the matter dealt with by the courts to your antagonist and he continually bombs you with ominous letters, not only is he harassing you but the Mags Court will not look at the case of you owing the swines the amassed sum. Either you violated Byelaw 14 or you didn't, "guilty or not guilty" as we said earlier and if you did, the court will decide on the amount due AND in which direction it goes. You on the other hand will do all you can to prolong the interest free payback. I would definitely allow it to go to court; this doesn't mean ignore, but just don't submit or volunteer guilt.

Stigy

Livingthedream wrote: »

Please don't take this the wrong way Stigy, but East Coast is the most vainest Train company operating and sees that all bad publicity has to be avoided at all costs, you don't have to google far to find a case where they've ran for the hills once the bad publicity brigade been after them. You could imagine The Mail's Headliner 'East Cowboy Trains PPC'

I certainly wondn't take it the wrong way, don't worry!

My dealings with different TOCs other than the one with which I work are somewhat limited, so any input as to a specific TOC's antics is always interesting to learn!

I must admit, I think it's the same with all or most TOCs to be honest (apart from LU, but they don't count, lol!). The company I work for have actually cancelled parking notices before believe it or not, and I would urge a punter, even if they know a ticket is a PPC one and unenforceable, if the circumstances surroundoing it were a bit iffy, complain to the Train Operating Company, as you'll have more chance of sucess than appealing to a shady PPC.