Zebra Crossing - near-miss

Lucy_Lastic

Gloomendoom wrote: »

She loitered on the crossing? I must have missed that bit.

Not that bit!

Flyboy152

Trebor16 wrote: »

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/38

See for yourself where I got it from, and then you will realise what a buffoon you are for making such comments about making it up.

Oh dear, not being a little impolite are we? I wonder if it would be prudent to remind one of some advice given in another thread.

Trebor16

Flyboy152 wrote: »

Oh dear, not being a little impolite are we? I wonder if it would be prudent to remind one of some advice given in another thread.

You are the last person here who could comment about impoliteness, given your repeated deliberate posts that serve little or no purpose and are designed to inflame rather than to help.

Anyone who is stupid enough to suggest that something has been made up without checking up first is deserving of being criticised in such a way.

mikey72

johnfarquhar74 wrote: »

Can someone in the know post a link to the laws regarding zebra crossings?
From what I'm reading here, the general concensus is a pedestrian can step onto the road with no observation or indication, and as long as they do so at a correctly installed zebra crossing, then any or all liability from any resulting accident lands at the feet of the driver? And is this any different if the pedestrian steps on to the road from anywhere else on the pavement, not a recognised crossing?
Personally, and clearly I'm no legal eagle, I think duty of care is shared by all road users and if a pedestrian were daft enough to think approaching drivers had a 6th sense or Jedi mind control then they are only looking for trouble. That is not to say drivers shouldn't expect the pedestrian to cross, but that pedestrians should at the very least expect drivers not to stop rather than just step out, praying to their respective gods and know that if they are hit, at least they were 'right'!
Incidentally, I have a zebra crossing at the end of my street, I have to use it or cross it every day, so far I have no incidents to report with the exception of one. An elderly lady taking a swing at a passing transit van with her shopping as she felt he could have stopped. Perhaps he could have, perhaps he couldn't but I'm sure that was of no consolation to the lady as she was chasing her apples down the road after her bag split!

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/2400/regulation/25/made


http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/2400/regulation/6/made

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/2400/schedule/1/made

Trebor16

johnfarquhar74 wrote: »

Can someone in the know post a link to the laws regarding zebra crossings?
From what I'm reading here, the general concensus is a pedestrian can step onto the road with no observation or indication, and as long as they do so at a correctly installed zebra crossing, then any or all liability from any resulting accident lands at the feet of the driver? And is this any different if the pedestrian steps on to the road from anywhere else on the pavement, not a recognised crossing?

Section 38 of the Highway Code makes it clear that anyone who does not follow the advice given in the highway code can have their failure to follow the guidance used negatively against them in any civil or criminal proceedings. So if a pedestrian does not look properly, does not wait for vehicles to stop and then crosses and is hit will not be blameless in such a situation and their actions would be closely examined in any proceedings.

johnfarquhar74 wrote: »

Personally, and clearly I'm no legal eagle, I think duty of care is shared by all road users and if a pedestrian were daft enough to think approaching drivers had a 6th sense or Jedi mind control then they are only looking for trouble.

Agreed, the pedestrian has responsibility for their own actions.

johnfarquhar74 wrote: »

That is not to say drivers shouldn't expect the pedestrian to cross, but that pedestrians should at the very least expect drivers not to stop rather than just step out, praying to their respective gods and know that if they are hit, at least they were 'right'!

Agreed, drivers should always be on the lookout when approaching any pedestrian crossing and be prepared for any pedestrian who is not acting responsibly.

mikey72

The law is black and white.
Bit like the limits of crossing as defined above as well.

asbokid

Gloomendoom wrote: »

The NEC in Birmingham, for example, has speed limit signs in KPH not MPH which is a definite no no.

thats cos of all the forrieners.

Flyboy152

Trebor16 wrote: »

You are the last person here who could comment about impoliteness, given your repeated deliberate posts that serve little or non purpose and are designed to inflame rather than to help.

Anyone who is stupid enough to suggest that something has been made up without checking up first is deserving of being criticised in such a way.

Is that the whiff of hypocrisy at work there?

Let me remind of your quite blind "advice."

Trebor16 wrote: »

Perhaps you need to realise that the vast majority of people don't read every single thread in this forum, so won't be aware of other posts in other threads. Most posters here are not as anal and nit picking and almost hostile towards other posters as you, thank goodness.

Trebor16 wrote: »

That was a fair question. If I had said "are you stupid, didn't you read where he said the car was in excellent condition?" then you might have been able to take exception to it.

It was no different in tone to "Why didn't you get the car repaired yourself? "

It is clear that you like to dish it out to other posters and make smart assed comments that don't actually contribute much at all, but when people respond and challenge you in a legitimate manner you get all upset.

I think you need to get off that high horse of yours before you alienate everybody here.

My posting style can be forthright at times, that is because I refuse to "run with the crowd," so to to speak and I don't bow down to the consensus of popular opinion. I have my own mind and speak it, quite often in fact; in short, I don't suffer fools gladly. Most people on here know that and accept it. You however, just seem intent on throwing insults at people at random. On two threads in as many days you have levied insults against people, I do hope this not a trend.

mikey72

johnfarquhar74 wrote: »

Can someone in the know post a link to the laws regarding zebra crossings?
From what I'm reading here, the general concensus is a pedestrian can step onto the road with no observation or indication, and as long as they do so at a correctly installed zebra crossing, then any or all liability from any resulting accident lands at the feet of the driver? And is this any different if the pedestrian steps on to the road from anywhere else on the pavement, not a recognised crossing?
Personally, and clearly I'm no legal eagle, I think duty of care is shared by all road users and if a pedestrian were daft enough to think approaching drivers had a 6th sense or Jedi mind control then they are only looking for trouble. That is not to say drivers shouldn't expect the pedestrian to cross, but that pedestrians should at the very least expect drivers not to stop rather than just step out, praying to their respective gods and know that if they are hit, at least they were 'right'!
Incidentally, I have a zebra crossing at the end of my street, I have to use it or cross it every day, so far I have no incidents to report with the exception of one. An elderly lady taking a swing at a passing transit van with her shopping as she felt he could have stopped. Perhaps he could have, perhaps he couldn't but I'm sure that was of no consolation to the lady as she was chasing her apples down the road after her bag split!

Zebra crossing is totally different from any other point on the pavement.
(Although anywhere is bad)

A zebra crossing has clear give way markings. Traffic has to give way to anyone on the crossing.

Your arguement is the same as saying anyone on a main road has to watch out for traffice pulling out over a give way sign from a side road, and expecting the main road traffic to stop, just because they're driving up to a give way sign too fast.

A zebra crossing is the "main road" in this case. Just because they're pedestrians doesn't automatically give a car driver the right of way.
The law is very clear, and so are the road markings.

johnfarquhar74

mikey72 wrote: »

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/2400/regulation/25/made


http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/2400/regulation/6/made

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/2400/schedule/1/made

Thanks for the links Mikey. I have read the road traffic acts/orders online before and they are usually clear as mud to me, but these links are verging on 'plain english'!
Basically they are quite clear and say that pedestrian has precedence over vehicle within the limits of the crossing, AS LONG AS the vehicle has not already entered the limits. Some people on this thread were intimating that the pedestrian ALWAYS has precedence regardless of where the vehicles were.
In my experience, zebra crossings have been located in 30MPH areas or less with decent sight lines, you'd have to be 'going some' to hit someone on a crossing and be 'in the wrong'.