2007 Reg Car from Dealer MOT with Advisory

Kilty_2

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

for a trader to sell a vehicle with bald tyres or in an unsafe condition should be illegal????? dont know why i have this in mind its probably because a trader was in the local rag a few years ago got fined over 20,000k for selling one to trading standards after a few complaints.

They're not bald or unsafe hence it got an MOT?????

bigjl

Rushabh wrote: »

"Is that the line you will use if you get stopped by the police for driving around with bald tyres??"

Thanks for the comment mate, but what I meant was I did not looked at the tyre so closely to notice that they are not that good when I went to buy the vehicle.
Also, It has passed the MOT and dealer says that if it was bad, it would fail and we would change it for you.
So at this moment of time, the tyres meet the minimum requirement standard - take it easy.

Once I look at the tyres again, as I havent done that in the first time, and if I feel the tyres are about to go, I'll replace it myself.

I would also advise checking the cars MOT history, as an awful lot of Passats where used for Private Hire and the tell tale is 6monthly MOTs from the end of year 1.

Most where silver and the Passat, old or new shape is prone to odd tyre wear due to the design of the suspension, there are so many links and bushes it can be a pain to track down the issue.

If i was keeping a Passat, Octavia or similar i would have the suspension front and back completely polybushed.

This will sort the problem for good.

From what my spies tell me is worn inner edges on a Passat that still drives welll is a pointer to worn bushes on the lower wishbones.

I think you can just replace the worn bushes, preferably with polybushes, rather than replace the expensive lower wishbones.

Thiugh i am unlikely to have a new shape Passat as the seats give my back serious gip.

They also weren't as reliable or as economical as the previous model.

Though there has now been a new Passat released so i would expect these things to maybe be sorted out with this new model.

The Passat when matched with a 140tdi engine and dsg autobox is a nice car, especially if you have it remapped to avoid the hesitaion when pulling away from stationary, which was exagerated in the auto dsg models. Though when you down change it blips the throttle, nice

s_b

tyres wear inner edges on these because they are a heavy car with a heavy engine and power steering
you wouldnt have seen them pre purchase OP because the rest of the tread is obviously sound
the mot man is more than likely covering himself because he knows this is a sold trade car
other 3 points are mot man covering himself too, just in case the car gets sold to a screamer
car sounds right to me but do have the tyres inspected by an independent trusted tyre outfit if you know one just for piece of mind OP
oh and enjoy:)

bigjl

Completely wrong. Heavy power steered cars onky wear the outside edge not the inner edge. Alignment or wishbones is the issue.

Omegas where prone to inner edge wear due to incorrect alignment not weight. Once adjusted correctly.wear will stop unless the true cause was lower wishbone wear.

Rushabh

Thanks guys,

Concluding --- The symptoms of my two tyres inner edge worn can be any of the following:
1) Alignment
Or
2) Wishbones. Replacing the lower wishbones can be expensive so can do with replacing Worn bushes on the lower wishbones preferably with polybushes - still need to check on the true cause of inner edge worn tyres.

I have still to pay 5200GBP (only 200 paid) so I can request the dealer to check this for me. To keep a record for myself, I'll fax the above for him to check so that it does not go unnoticed. Over the phone, he might just say car is running perfect, etc etc.

bigjl

I would check it isn't an ex Private Hire car, and ask for at least a couple of part worns on the front, so you don't have to put tyres on straight away.

Don't forget that recent VW's are not the troublefree cars that some would make you think they are.

Two blokes at work had 2007 Passat's, one an 07 plate, one a 56 plate, both kept them for less than 6 months, both were troublesomes, one bloke bought a mk4 Mondeo and loves it, the other bought an old shape Vectra with the old DTi engine.

Don't know what area you live but you need a proper geometry check by somebody like EliteDirect in Rainham (near London), not just four wheel alignment, or tracking.

Go to www.elitedirect.com and you can look at what I mean about geometry.

Somebody put up a link a while ago www.alignmycar.com or www.alignmycar.co.uk , never used the site but I think it will find you a properly equipped place to do your geometry near where you live.

Though I would be inclined to buy a car like this http://www.cargiant.co.uk/Volkswagen/Passat/details-503322-Volkswagen-Passat.asp?viewtype=0 a bit more than the one you have found, but has £130 a year RoadTax, similar miles but is newer, £6199 plus £91 fees.

CarGiant aren't to everybodies taste, but I personally lie the no fuss way things get done, though picking up your car takes ages and it is a low on customer comforts, but I am only interested in saving money, not free Coffee and Biscuits.

Kilty_2

bigjl wrote: »

Though I would be inclined to buy a car like this http://www.cargiant.co.uk/Volkswagen/Passat/details-503322-Volkswagen-Passat.asp?viewtype=0 a bit more than the one you have found, but has £130 a year RoadTax, similar miles but is newer, £6199 plus £91 fees.
.

As slow as a week in the jail and seriously unrefined compared with the 2.0 TDI though.

(seriously reliable, mind)

s_b

bigjl wrote: »

Completely wrong. Heavy power steered cars onky wear the outside edge not the inner edge. Alignment or wishbones is the issue.

Omegas where prone to inner edge wear due to incorrect alignment not weight. Once adjusted correctly.wear will stop unless the true cause was lower wishbone wear.

absolute rubbish
cant believe im reading this
who told you such bumkum

if the car had any wear on the joints the motman would have failed or advised as he did other items
its power/tyres and weight/and just as probably make of tyre

bigjl

Indeed this Passat is a really strong contender for cheap wheels, and has the strong as rock 1.9 tdi engine, I presume it will have the PD engine, slow with only 105bhp, but a remap will sort that, the 105tdi Octavia could be easily remapped to over 120bhp.

Actually I reckon the old 1.9 engine had a much more linear power delivery, the 2.0 140bhp engine is very flat low down, never an issue with the older 1.9 lump, and the 1.9 lump is happy to run biodiesel from what I have read recently.

I reckon it will easily crack 50 mpg, if not more, the 140 engine will struggle to crack mid 40's.

bigjl

s_b wrote: »

absolute rubbish
cant believe im reading this
who told you such bumkum

if the car had any wear on the joints the motman would have failed or advised as he did other items
its power/tyres and weight/and just as probably make of tyre

And why would powewr steering and a heavy car cause inner edge wear? Outer tread wear on heavy power steered cars has been an issue since the Mercs of the eighties, seen it all the time when I worked in a garage. A very common issue.

A car can and does pass with slight wear on the bushes, enough wear to allow the geometry to shift in heavy cornering this is why you polybush a car to maintain geometry under extreme cornering, surely you already know this, as you seem to consider yourself an expert.

Worn suspension bushes isn't an MOT failure automatically, but bushes do wear long before they split, the rubber can also flatten slightly allowing play, this play is what allows slight variances in wheel geometry, inner edge tyre wear can be caused by such wear, especially if the car is driven vigorously round roundabouts etc, this is why , for example, you can get thigns such as this
which is a front lower arm rear bush which also allows caster adjustment.

But obviously there is no reason for polybushing is there?

Lets not forget that the reason an old car feels different to a new one is the small amounts of wear on all the bushes, allowing the geometry to alter when cornering.

There are lots of bushes in the Passat, this is a diagram from the Powerflex website


I would reckon there is a possibility of some wear on bush no2, allowing the negative camber to increase slightly under hard cornering.

Or it could simply be the camber has been knocked out over the 90k miles the car has covered since new, and therefore a proper alignment can sort it, if the issue contines after alignment then some bush wear must be suspected.

My mk3 Mondeo was wearing the fronts a bit on the inside last year, got the alignment done and it stopped, though I am considering fully polybushing the old bus as it really doesn't drive with the verve and accracy that it did 70 or 80k ago.

But as the entire suspension of my car is original then I think some new parts are warranted.

Not bad though over 160k on original wishbones etc.