Are you made to feel guilty for claiming benefits?

jetta_wales

joster. wrote: »

A lot of it I put down to a guilty conscience!

Not even trying to be subtle about the Trolling now I see.

Not a very good Troll are you we've had some much more imaginative ones in the past. If you're going to Troll at least be creative about it else you fail at life hence the desire to Troll in the first place then even fail at Trolling too, how sad for you :-)

cit_k

joster. wrote: »

A lot of it I put down to a guilty conscience!

Then stop doing things that give you a guilty conscience....

kaya

captain_mainwaring wrote: »

People only see what they want to. I can mow my garden in 20/30 minutes. Not bad eh? Then 2 days to recover! Do they see that? NO! I've felt guilty for years but I also have paid into the system. I'm getting too thick skinned now to care what they think! Don't feel guilty. Problem is, with this new Government we will all feel guilty and, the pinch, ouch!

same here, people see me walk to the car or round the supermarket and instantly think there is nothing wrong with me, they dont see the 3 or 4 days a week im crawling round on all fours at home in absolute agony, but im getting past caring what they think now, i paid in more than i have taken out and my wife pays more every week in tax than i take, we live in a society where the governbent taxes us on everything little thing we do, die and they try and take your money, get an inheritance and they want that, drive a car? your taxed, need fuel for your car? tax em... the government take all this money so they can look after the sick and disabled, and when they can give our taxes away so freely to other countries should we really be feeling guilty about being sick?

Sueinbirmingham

I naively thought that as this was in D&D not DT, the trolls might leave us alone. But Joster illustrates why people end up feeling guilty, because they are bombarded with hostility for being on benefits and assumptions as to why they feel as they do. I think it's particularly a problem for people that either have the sort of mental health problems that lead them to feel low about themselves (and guilty thoughts are symptomatic of depression, OCD and a number of other conditions) and for people who see others with what appear to be similar conditions/similar circumstances and struggle to come to terms with the fact that they can't manage to do what others that they compare themselves with can do, be that working/working full-time/doing a well-paid job etc.

I think that the government has deliberately stirred up the Josters of this world to transform public opinion so that they can attack people on benefits without come back.

So we end up feeling guilty even though it's not our fault we need benefits.

cit_k

joster. wrote: »

I don't have a guilty conscience about anything I do!

I don't give a flying **** what people think or say about me.

I do what I want when I want and answer to no one (except the wife of course!)

I certainly don't lie in bed worrying about others or their problems,

lack of conscience, lack of empathy, answering to no one, not bothered what anyone else thinks, perhaps you should read this page.

Cpt.Scarlet

Troll alert

jetta_wales

joster. wrote: »

Not being disabled and not knowing what being disabled means, I hold my hands up and accept that I can't appreciate the problems they encounter.

Given that, I thought that a Blue Badge was given to those:

you are registered blind under the National Assistance Act 1948
you receive a war pension mobility supplement
you receive the higher rate of the mobility component of the DLA

or

you have a permanent and severe disability which means you cannot walk or can only walk with severe difficulty.

I don't understand how you can have a Blue Badge if you can walk round a supermarket or generally walk in a car park for 3 or 4 days a week, and that the other 3 or 4 weeks you are unable to walk.

As far as I was aware you had to show that you were either:

be unable to walk
be virtually unable to walk
the exertion required to walk would constitute a danger to your life or would be likely to lead to a serious deterioration in your health
qualify for the highest rate of DLA care component, be severely mentally impaired and show disruptive behaviour.
have a severe visual impairment
be both blind and deaf and need the assistance of another person to walk out of doors.


How does half the week being OK fit in with the conditions?

I only ask as I have a relative in a similar situation that gets neither DLA (because she is able to walk for a couple of days a week within reason) and has been refused a Blue Badge as she is not 'unable or virtually unable to walk'. In other words she can walk some distance on some days and not be able to on some, this is when she has her false legs on (to put it crudely).
Incidentally she spends most of the time in her wheelchair and refuses to walk as she hates the things!

In fact she has had both legs amputated above the knee due to her Diabetes but they say she can walk with her falsies.

I would strongly suggest that your relative reapplies for DLA with help from DIAL or CAB because it is unfortunately very common to be turned down first time with DLA (honestly I think they just hope you won't bother to apeal) and a huge amount win their case at apeal or even have the decision completely turned over just from asking that it be looked at again (the step you can take before an actual apeal).

It should be the case that your condition is assessed based on how you are most often. There are many conditions that very from day to day even my condition (Achromatopsia - day blindness) varies due to differing light levels so if you see me at night I could run and climb Walls and all sorts (my partner's a free runner) but in the day time with the sun out I'm pretty housebound even with the darkest of glasses available and if I am out I use a cane or am with my partner and led. Plenty of people would think that's ridiculous you can't be blind one moment and not the next but I can be and often am.

Many people have no idea how bad my sight is though because they only ever see my out with my OH and we hold hands so nobody sees that as him leading me but he very much is.

So people make assumptions about the dissabled all the time and make judgments based on those assumptions and hearing such judgments all the time as many do does get to you over time even if we should just think "f you I don't care what you think" it is so much easier said than done. Self confidence isn't exactly abundant in people who feel very much limited by their condition either.

There's a lot of aspects to living with a Dissability that many able bodied people do not understand but most of us would much rather somebody ask about those things than make judgments based on their false assumptions instead. I often get quizzed about my sight and asked loads of questions because it's rare and people seem intrigued by it but I am never bothered by that at all. It's the assumptions that can be so damaging. "you can't be that blind because you can use a computer" that's the one I get all the time, despite the fact you can use a computer with no sight at all with the right software.

Hope I'm making some sense.

Cpt.Scarlet

joster. wrote: »

Listen, I have already put somebody else staright about that!
I'm not a troll, I haven't got the time or patience to play silly games.

Do you and others on here have some sort of problem with posters on this site?

Now P**s off and go bother someone else!!
And the reason I have posted that point, is that it appears to me that they have a Blue Badge, obtained possibly by fraudalent means. There is an old saying - Never con a conner!!

If you don't want to be called a troll, don't behave like one.

pinklady21

All together now......
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Any tune of your choice!

Cpt.Scarlet

joster. wrote: »

Please explain in simple english if you can?

I'll indulge this one time.

The title of this thread is "Are you made to feel guilty for claiming benefits?" and here you are accusing someone of benefit fraud, based purely on a few words posted.

You know nothing about the poster, how they are affected by these trips out, whether they take extra medecine to allow them to do this, and yet you feel justified to call them a benefit thief.

If you are not a troll then you are a narrow minded bigot, either way, your posts are not wanted here.