To Pay Pal or not to PAL PAL that is the question???

macfly

And why would you tell her all of that? As a buyer, you had the added protection if the tv went boom after a week.

gremlintrees

digerati wrote: »

When we get eBay buyers that want to use PayPal for Collection-0nly items we first write back that we are happy to courier the item to them at their expense.

If they insist on using PayPal for Collection-0nly items then they can a) cancel the transaction or b) abide by our strict anti-fraud requirements, namely: "When paying by PayPal for Collection-Only items, for our mutual protection, please remember to bring current photo ID (Driving Licence, Passport, Firearms Certificate, etc.) and a recent utility bill with your name and address. We may also require a copy of your fingerprints* for our sales records. Thank you for your understanding."

When they turn up to collect the item, we make a high resolution copy of their photo ID and utility bill, making sure that the photo is of the person providing it. These we retain for at least several years as the chargeback provisions of PayPal and credit card providers allow for reversals for quite a time after a transaction is completed.

If they still want to go ahead with PayPal for Collection-0nly items, make sure you note the buyer's car licence plate, and confirm the registration number with the (hopefully current) Tax sticker on the windshield.

None of the above steps will prevent PayPal for Collection items fraud, and the seller will always lose any subsequent PayPal payment dispute. However it will give you the tools to track down and prosecute those responsible (except PayPal and eBay who sanction the practise of seller's being forced to accept PayPal for Collection-0nly items).

* Fingerprints are very helpful to Police in establishing someone's real identity when fake photo ID is used by identity thieves. We usually only ask for fingerprints if they have a particularly dodgy ID or have no trading record on eBay.

If they question the need for any of these draconian measures, we simply point out that we are only doing this to protect ourselves and the (real) owner of the PayPal account that sent us the payment, from ID fraud and any subsequent financial loss.

Hope this helps!

I am not best pleased with the way that people are pushed into using paypal, sellers end up paying the auction fees and then paypal fees on top. However, if selling collection only items either for cash or paypal payment wouldn’t it be easier to have two copies of receipts for receipt of item collection and of item payment? You simply ask the buyer to sign them and you countersign them keeping one copy for yourself and giving the other to the buyer. That way he/she has proof of payment and you have proof of item delivery/collection.

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d123

gremlintrees wrote: »

I am not best pleased with the way that people are pushed into using paypal, sellers end up paying the auction fees and then paypal fees on top. However, if selling collection only items either for cash or paypal payment wouldn’t it be easier to have two copies of receipts for receipt of item collection and of item payment? You simply ask the buyer to sign them and you countersign them keeping one copy for yourself and giving the other to the buyer. That way he/she has proof of payment and you have proof of item delivery/collection.

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Unfortunately, it's not at all useful. Paypal will only accept certain trackable and signed for methods of postage in the event of a claim. You can have a gold plated receipt signed in blood and it won't do as proof.

Oliver14

gremlintrees wrote: »

I am not best pleased with the way that people are pushed into using paypal, sellers end up paying the auction fees and then paypal fees on top. However, if selling collection only items either for cash or paypal payment wouldn’t it be easier to have two copies of receipts for receipt of item collection and of item payment? You simply ask the buyer to sign them and you countersign them keeping one copy for yourself and giving the other to the buyer. That way he/she has proof of payment and you have proof of item delivery/collection.

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You could get the Pope to sign it but Paypal require online proof of delivery so it would be of no use and would not protect you from an INR claim on a collection item paid with Paypal.

mikey72

gremlintrees wrote: »

I am not best pleased with the way that people are pushed into using paypal, sellers end up paying the auction fees and then paypal fees on top. However, if selling collection only items either for cash or paypal payment wouldn’t it be easier to have two copies of receipts for receipt of item collection and of item payment? You simply ask the buyer to sign them and you countersign them keeping one copy for yourself and giving the other to the buyer. That way he/she has proof of payment and you have proof of item delivery/collection.

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Or you could sign both and claim the buyer had taken the item away.

Hammyman

Oliver14 wrote: »

Sorry but this is laughable

Ahh where shall I start with what is wrong with this and why it wont hold up in court. I'll just name the obvious. You have no evidence of when and where you got copies of the buyers details fingerprints etc from. You could easily have stolen them. The courts would just have a laugh at your expense

ROFLMAO. So according to you, nobody in any court who brings any charge or claim against anyone else will ever win. Might as well just close the entire court system down then.

So what you're saying is that the entire UK logistics system where the haulier signs a proof of collection is completely and utterly invalid.

Hammyman

theonlywayisup wrote: »

As per oliver14. digerati you need to brush up on the protection rules within paypal/eBay, your t&c are pointless and completely unenforceable.

...within Ebay and Paypal. However getting someone to bring along proof of ID when collecting an item is standard practice in the logistics sector and having copies of the licence, utility bill and a signed proof of collection is more than sufficient evidence for county court claims.

paulofessex

digerati wrote: »

When we get eBay buyers that want to use PayPal for Collection-0nly items we first write back that we are happy to courier the item to them at their expense.

If they insist on using PayPal for Collection-0nly items then they can a) cancel the transaction or b) abide by our strict anti-fraud requirements, namely: "When paying by PayPal for Collection-Only items, for our mutual protection, please remember to bring current photo ID (Driving Licence, Passport, Firearms Certificate, etc.) and a recent utility bill with your name and address. We may also require a copy of your fingerprints* for our sales records. Thank you for your understanding."

When they turn up to collect the item, we make a high resolution copy of their photo ID and utility bill, making sure that the photo is of the person providing it. These we retain for at least several years as the chargeback provisions of PayPal and credit card providers allow for reversals for quite a time after a transaction is completed.

If they still want to go ahead with PayPal for Collection-0nly items, make sure you note the buyer's car licence plate, and confirm the registration number with the (hopefully current) Tax sticker on the windshield.

None of the above steps will prevent PayPal for Collection items fraud, and the seller will always lose any subsequent PayPal payment dispute. However it will give you the tools to track down and prosecute those responsible (except PayPal and eBay who sanction the practise of seller's being forced to accept PayPal for Collection-0nly items).

* Fingerprints are very helpful to Police in establishing someone's real identity when fake photo ID is used by identity thieves. We usually only ask for fingerprints if they have a particularly dodgy ID or have no trading record on eBay.

If they question the need for any of these draconian measures, we simply point out that we are only doing this to protect ourselves and the (real) owner of the PayPal account that sent us the payment, from ID fraud and any subsequent financial loss.

Hope this helps!

I'm guessing that you would need to register/abide to Data Protection procedures then.

mikey72

Hammyman wrote: »

...within Ebay and Paypal. However getting someone to bring along proof of ID when collecting an item is standard practice in the logistics sector and having copies of the licence, utility bill and a signed proof of collection is more than sufficient evidence for county court claims.

But if you think I'd leave a scamming ebay seller with enough info for an identity theft you'd be sadly mistaken.

ACon

Lol this just gets madder!
Basically if you ever buy anything on Ebay, you can request a refund and usually win. As a seller you have no rights. Theyve certainly proven this to me today anyhoo. End of my time with Paypal I can assure you.