NO...Cyclists don't ride on pavements or jump red lights at all.

Flyboy152

ventureuk wrote: »

Tell me what you understand about the Hardwood Export Regulations governing Ecuador and Peru and I'll think about it.....they are about as relevant.

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Again, in other words; yes, you are still going to avoid it.

Gavin83

Having used all 3 main overground methods of transport in London (car, bike and on foot) I would say by far my least favoured relationship is bike riders when Im a pedestrian, probably followed by car drivers when Im in a car. I just find a fair few bikers have a complete disregard for pedestrians, but they seem to be a bit more careful around cars, presumably as they know they're far more likely to come off in a worse state. I've lost count of the amount of times a bike has mounted the pavement or gone through a crossing. I've actually been hit a fair few times too, the majority of the time they just ride off but I've actually got into a physical fight before because a biker seemed to take offense to me walking across when he went through a red light. To be fair several have nearly hit me a apologied, which I don't necessarily have a problem with.

I also find that drivers are massively inconsiderate to other drivers in London but thats another topic entirely.

Flyboy152

Gavin83 wrote: »

Having used all 3 main overground methods of transport in London (car, bike and on foot) I would say by far my least favoured relationship is bike riders when Im a pedestrian, probably followed by car drivers when Im in a car. I just find a fair few bikers have a complete disregard for pedestrians, but they seem to be a bit more careful around cars, presumably as they know they're far more likely to come off in a worse state. I've lost count of the amount of times a bike has mounted the pavement or gone through a crossing. I've actually been hit a fair few times too, the majority of the time they just ride off but I've actually got into a physical fight before because a biker seemed to take offense to me walking across when he went through a red light. To be fair several have nearly hit me a apologied, which I don't necessarily have a problem with.

I also find that drivers are massively inconsiderate to other drivers in London but thats another topic entirely.

I wonder if we can all spot the irony.

rev_henry

Flyboy152 wrote: »

I wouldn't bother, they are illegal. We had several people wearing them around our way and they were confiscated; for obvious reasons.

I'm not paying £20 for a fluorescent tabard so I think this argument is irrelevant.

sequence

It's only illegal to impersonate a police office if you have criminal intent.

Flyboy152

sequence wrote: »

It's only illegal to impersonate a police office if you have criminal intent.

Seeing as the intent is to deceive, that would be sufficient.

ETA:

Section 90 of the Police Act says:

Any person who, not being a constable, wears any article of police uniform in circumstances where it gives him an appearance so nearly resembling that of a member of a police force as to be calculated to deceive shall be guilty of an offence

In this section—.
(a)“article of police uniform” means any article of uniform or any distinctive badge or mark or document of identification usually issued to members of police forces or special constables, or anything having the appearance of such an article, badge, mark or document,

johnfarquhar74

Regarding the 'POLITE' tabards;

This was debated at length on Cyclechat and Bikeradar a couple of years back. At that time they were found NOT to be illegal by the knowledgeable types that frequented those boards, this came from those with a bona fide legal background, not a https://www.google legal background.

What interested me was the opinions of those that wore such high-viz, they reported a much more amicable interaction with fellow road users, less road rage and bullying on/off the road. Just goes to show the power of the written word!

As for the illegality, perhaps things have changed since two years ago. Impersonating a police officer is obviously illegal but wearing 'POLITE'? Dyslexia is not a crime!

Strider590

sequence wrote: »

It's only illegal to impersonate a police office if you have criminal intent.

Well in that case..... I think wearing one could prevent someone clipping me with their wing mirror, in which case I wouldn't be forced to break off said wing mirror at the next available set of lights. Therefore removing the need for intent :cool:

Flyboy152

johnfarquhar74 wrote: »

Regarding the 'POLITE' tabards;

This was debated at length on Cyclechat and Bikeradar a couple of years back. At that time they were found NOT to be illegal by the knowledgeable types that frequented those boards, this came from those with a bona fide legal background, not a www.google legal background.

What interested me was the opinions of those that wore such high-viz, they reported a much more amicable interaction with fellow road users, less road rage and bullying on/off the road. Just goes to show the power of the written word!

As for the illegality, perhaps things have changed since two years ago. Impersonating a police officer is obviously illegal but wearing 'POLITE'? Dyslexia is not a crime!

Who, exactly? Because the Police Act is pretty clear. Even our resident pretend lawyer won't disagree.

johnfarquhar74

Flyboy152 wrote: »

Who, exactly? Because the Police Act is pretty clear. Even our resident pretend lawyer won't disagree.

I'd have to trawl back through the archives but I'd only get usernames.
That's the thing with the internet, people can post things and it can be quite difficult to prove the truth either way. It's like your statement about the tabards being confiscated and being illegal. Without facts, names, dates, figures it's just unsubstantiated rumour.
The one true fact is, the tabards don't say 'POLICE', you can legally buy police costumes and legally wear them in public,,

or

Anyone that lives in London, Newcastle, Edinburgh, Cardiff, Liverpool will see people dressed like this most weekends on Hen/Stag parties. Some even get their picture taken with REAL Police, how many do you think are arrested for impersonating a Police officer?