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Should there be a "moral" element the the allocation of social housing?

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  • yellowmonkey
    yellowmonkey Posts: 7,052 Forumite
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    ILW wrote: »
    But it may focus the parents minds on getting the child to behave better in the first place. Any parent that allows a 12 year old to be out with a gang of kids at midnight should be seriously worried abot losing their home. Social responsibility sometimes has to be encouraged.

    Is this only for Social housing kids or is it for everyone ?. Its not only social housing that bad behaviour comes from
  • ILW
    ILW Posts: 18,333 Forumite
    Is this only for Social housing kids or is it for everyone ?. Its not only social housing that bad behaviour comes from

    True, but we do not have the opportunity with private housing.
  • Kennyboy66
    Kennyboy66 Posts: 939 Forumite

    Only problem being, where do you draw a line? Is it better to have people sat in homes they actually wouldn't be entitled to for social issues....meanwhile, other parents and children languish in B&B's with no where to go.

    I know my personal preference is to evict those that no longer need the homes and get those without, in. But I draw my line at a completely different level to where others may draw theres.

    I don't think tenure should be "inheritable" unless in exceptional circumstances.

    The government "banned" councils from housing people with kids in B&B accomodation in 2004, so it is hardly languishing.

    The only solution is to provide incentives for people to more, so If Auntie Dot has a 3 bed house because hubby has died and kids have grown up, then she should be offered a cash bribe to move. Its the only fair way - you can't go turfing people out of their homes after 30 years just to free it up - its simply immoral.
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  • WardwarkOwner
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    Personally, I feel whatever plans were implemented, there would be an absolute wrath of problems associated to it.

    I personally feel the fairest way is ongoing (yearly, or something similar) income checks, to make sure people are still "entitled" to the home. If they can afford either private rent, or to buy their own place, indeed, have already bought second properties, they should be given 6 months to vacate.

    I think means testing would be a good idea to stop people exploiting the system. However, possible problems would include removing the incentive for people to work if they are happy where they are. This problem might be slightly mitigated by social housing becoming less desirable as those prepared to work would steadily move on to private landlords under this proposal.
  • PasturesNew
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    There should be a big block of "basic bedsit" style housing for the ne'er do wells, with a concierge in a gun tower monitoring them..... you end up there if you're a ne'er do well. In order to get a proper place you have to have completely kept your nose clean for 7 years.

    :)

    Once we've rounded them all up, we can shut the gates and lob bread over the walls.
  • PasturesNew
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    Kennyboy66 wrote: »
    you can't go turfing people out of their homes after 30 years just to free it up - its simply immoral.
    That's how private renting works on a lot of levels though.... but every 6 months.
  • chewmylegoff
    chewmylegoff Posts: 11,466 Forumite
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    There should be a big block of "basic bedsit" style housing for the ne'er do wells, with a concierge in a gun tower monitoring them..... you end up there if you're a ne'er do well. In order to get a proper place you have to have completely kept your nose clean for 7 years.

    :)

    Once we've rounded them all up, we can shut the gates and lob bread over the walls.

    it's called a boarding school.
  • ILW
    ILW Posts: 18,333 Forumite
    There should be a big block of "basic bedsit" style housing for the ne'er do wells, with a concierge in a gun tower monitoring them..... you end up there if you're a ne'er do well. In order to get a proper place you have to have completely kept your nose clean for 7 years.

    :)

    Once we've rounded them all up, we can shut the gates and lob bread over the walls.


    Maybe a bit drastic, but there should be some reward for doing the right thing and a downside for not. Currently it does not work that way.
  • Graham_Devon
    Graham_Devon Posts: 58,560 Forumite
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    Kennyboy66 wrote: »
    you can't go turfing people out of their homes after 30 years just to free it up - its simply immoral.

    I think that's probably where others would draw the line differently to mine.

    There are many people up and down the country losing their homes, through reposession. Maybe through job loss or illness.

    Many people who have to leave their homes due to the realisation that they cannot afford it. Happened to my own parents through illness. No one really gives a damn or feels there should be special treatment here.

    Theres no love lost if someone has rented privately for 10 years and the landlord decides to sell up and gives the tenants notice.

    That's just the way it is. Yet somehow, and I'm not quite sure why, but there obviously is a leaning towards this, it seems reprihensible the same should happen to others in social housing.

    I can't understand that. But like I say, different lines.
  • yellowmonkey
    yellowmonkey Posts: 7,052 Forumite
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    Is the issue the fact that some have a Council house, and are not entitled to it, or is it the fact that they are paying cheaper rents?

    Would people be happy if the same people who are "not" entitled to a council house paid market rent and then kept the house ?

    The latter does not free up the property though ;)
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