Disability discrimination by leeds united football club

Tiddlywinks

jetta_wales wrote: »

How is charging extra for children with a disabled parent than for children of a non dissabled parent not discrimination then?

If seated in the main area then the child will be charged as a child. The OP is free (and physically able) to sit here but wants to take advantage of freebies.

The concession in the disabled area is for one carer to go free - so anything above one going free is charged at full rate - where's the discrimination?

The club has accesible facilities and allows a carer in free (if in the allocated area) anything beyond this is not required in law.

daska

OK, lots of people arguing that is isn't discrimination because the OP still isn't paying full price because of getting one free seat for a carer. How about if the OP had 3 kids? Normal price 2.5 seats v Disabled price 4 seats = Treated less favourably.

GlasweJen

There's nothing to stop the OP with the three theoretical kids sitting in the main stands if he wishes, he chooses not to to get the free carer ticket.

If the OP is physically unable to sit in the main stands then that would be discrimination. I can only speak for Scottish clubs as I've never been to a game in England but in Scotland wheelchair users children are usually placed outside of the disabled area but seated directly in front of their parents so that they can be supervised, kids under 8 are generally not counted when buying tickets for this area so they get in for free.

daska

GlasweJen wrote: »

There's nothing to stop the OP with the three theoretical kids sitting in the main stands if he wishes, he chooses not to to get the free carer ticket.

If the OP is physically unable to sit in the main stands then that would be discrimination. I can only speak for Scottish clubs as I've never been to a game in England but in Scotland wheelchair users children are usually placed outside of the disabled area but seated directly in front of their parents so that they can be supervised, kids under 8 are generally not counted when buying tickets for this area so they get in for free.

But if he can't sit in the main stand and needs a carer? Then what? He has to hire someone to take the kids in the main stand or pay full price for the children. Sorry I was trying to look at the bigger picture but still wording it around the OP, I should have been a little more abstract LOL

GlasweJen

GlasweJen wrote: »

There's nothing to stop the OP with the three theoretical kids sitting in the main stands if he wishes, he chooses not to to get the free carer ticket.

If the OP is physically unable to sit in the main stands then that would be discrimination. I can only speak for Scottish clubs as I've never been to a game in England but in Scotland wheelchair users children are usually placed outside of the disabled area but seated directly in front of their parents so that they can be supervised, kids under 8 are generally not counted when buying tickets for this area so they get in for free.

I already answered that lol.

daska

GlasweJen wrote: »

I already answered that lol.

The OP hasn't given that as an option that is available so, as it stands, the policy he's outlined does discriminate, even if not against him individually. Leeds don't publish a policy on their website so it's not possible to tell whether your answer is relevant to them, or whether the OP's interpretation of it is correct.

Richie-from-the-Boro

- Curry's sell TV's - Elland Rd sell seats - Leccy companies sell energy -

They both make offers and discounts, take the discount and stick by the rules applied at the point of purchase / when they offer the discount, or don't buy and go elsewhere.

There is no discrimination, the O.P wants to change the terms of contract .. .. .. after accepting the offer. It's a sad truth that disabled people who cant get their own way constantly drag the reputation of the rest of disabled society down to their cringing level by crying ~ unfair discrimination ~ and ~ I'm a victim ~ when its no such thing. The O/P is a victim of his own belligerence not of DDA legislation or interpretation.

If you don't like the terms offered don't buy the product.

daska

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

If you don't like the terms offered don't buy the product.

I quite agree, he doesn't have to attend matches and if the deal on offer wasn't satisfactory he should have challenged it before purchase BUT... he raises a valid point, one that's been complained about on here in reference to other 'events' (festivals, olympics?). Able bodied parents wouldn't expect to have sit separately from their children or to have to pay more to have their children sit with them. Therefore the disabled person is being treated less favourably. The segregation is a separate matter, I haven't a clue whether it's common or not but it obviously isn't mandatory at every club (as per OP's example). And obviously there might be many reasons including positive ones - the area may provide an advantageous view.

I was once told that a good rule of thumb was that (barring genuine health and safety risks) you should be able to substitute 'red hair' for 'disabled' without feeling uncomfortable when reading the policy out loud.

sunnyone

He can sit in the stands, he has already said that but they wont allow him a free carer in the stands, disabled seating is very limited and should be for disabled person + 1 carer unless there are spare seats in that area, surrounding seating should be made available for anyone else in the party, if I wanted to go somewhere and one family were taking up 6 or 7 seats I wouldnt be happy because its the disabled seating area and not the family seating area and I have no choice but to sit their as a wheelchair user because the stands arnt suitable for me.

daska

sunnyone wrote: »

He can sit in the stands, he has already said that but they wont allow him a free carer in the stands, disabled seating is very limited and should be for disabled person + 1 carer unless there are spare seats in that area, surrounding seating should be made available for anyone else in the party, if I wanted to go somewhere and one family were taking up 6 or 7 seats I wouldnt be happy because its the disabled seating area and not the family seating area and I have no choice but to sit their as a wheelchair user because the stands arnt suitable for me.

Which only goes to emphasise why the policy represented here by the OP is intrinsically unfair to all disabled people. Those that really need the wheelchair accessible space might be unable to access it due to non-wheelchair users who still need carers being forced to sit there. And that's before you count children for whom the person might be responsible. Totally daft.