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Tories showing their true colours again.
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I had been contemplating voting for the conservatives next time round. As I have previously voted lab/lib that was quite a switch. But this and the healthcare bill have probably just sunk that idea.
By the time I have kids of uni age, I'm pretty sure I could afford the £70-£80k this might cost. But the idea that one set of kids can go to uni if they are a) intelligent and b) have rich parents, and due to b) this group will be much smaller. Compared to a seperate group who must be intelligent and then take their chances with the masses. This is a repellent idea. Schools are not so important. An A at a level is worth the same from any school. But if part of society can buy their way in to the top unis, where the uni itself does make a massive difference. As I type this I'm becoming more and more opposed to it. It is just wrong.0 -
Academia is over-rated IMO, there is as others have said, many people who have succeeded without academic backgrounds. I feel though that people should not be able to buy their place in universities that's a disgrace.0
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Unfortunately, due to the boy being born in an inner city area, he is more likely to have poor parents and therefore a poor upbringing. Perhaps h wont see any motivation to work. Thats not the states fault, thats the fault of scum parents.
In the USA, crime fell dramatically 18 years after roe vs wade was passed. Why? Because abortion became available to the masses, especially parents that knew they werent fit to bring a child into this world.
If the inner city kid has decent parents, they will most likely have a decent job and provide the support to their child that will enable them to get to go to uni. Problem is, these families are known as "middle class", and exactly the people you claim are being given an unfair advantage.0 -
ok then. if you say so.
you tell that to the gifted youngest boy born to a family of 6 in inner london.
he's really going to get a chance to pay for his degree compared to a boy born in Beaconsfield to a well off family,
no wait he was born a socialist and was born to whine and gripe so he shouldn't be educated.
In the old days didn't the rich families used to send their thickies to be officers in the armed forces?'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
no, that's a very poor argument.Unfortunately, due to the boy being born in an inner city area, he is more likely to have poor parents and therefore a poor upbringing. Perhaps h wont see any motivation to work. Thats not the states fault, thats the fault of scum parents.
In the USA, crime fell dramatically 18 years after roe vs wade was passed. Why? Because abortion became available to the masses, especially parents that knew they werent fit to bring a child into this world.
If the inner city kid has decent parents, they will most likely have a decent job and provide the support to their child that will enable them to get to go to uni. Problem is, these families are known as "middle class", and exactly the people you claim are being given an unfair advantage.
if you can fund your education you have more chance to get into university.
if you can't fund your education you have less or no chance to go to university
you do realise that just because people can fund their education it doesn't mean that they are more intelligent than somebody who can't fund their education.0 -
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for some things in life you don't need a degree but you do need a degree for certain professions.
if you want to become a surgeon or a lawyer it would be impossible to do so without a degree.
like i say, we are not just talking about what is good for the individual but what is good for the group.
cameron seems to be taking thatchers catchphase even further to heart; "there's no such thing as society". well i'd like to see what cameron would be doing with himself if that were really true.Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves. - Lord Byron0 -
In the old days didn't the rich families used to send their thickies to be officers in the armed forces?
What, you mean the likes of Winston Churchill and frank whittle?
You might want to look at the employment rate of officers leaving the services. Its over 98%.
over 70% get a pay rise. You want quality, you got to pay for it.0 -
you do realise that just because people can fund their education it doesn't mean that they are more intelligent than somebody who can't fund their education.
The irony!
Simply put, this is the best example of a fishing line I have ever seen on t'interweb.:D
Look at that worm!It's getting harder & harder to keep the government in the manner to which they have become accustomed.0 -
no, that's a very poor argument.
if you can fund your education you have more chance to get into university.
if you can't fund your education you have less or no chance to go to university
you do realise that just because people can fund their education it doesn't mean that they are more intelligent than somebody who can't fund their education.
no, its one you dont agree with. I never said that if they can fund their education meant they were mroe likely, what I said was, kids from scum families with a poor upbringing, perhaps no father at home and 6 brothers and sisters doesnt have the attention spent on them to succeed in life. Thats tough I am afraid. Nothing the state can do about it, as by the time they get to Uni age, the damage has already been done.
Read this.
http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?hl=en&q=freakonomics&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=13617697453273564585&sa=X&ei=OCPJTfbrIsur8AOSnLnoBg&ved=0CE8Q8wIwAw#
The problem is, wrt your last statement, It does.Of all the things that define intelligence (such a wide scope there), parental interaction at an early stage, good diet, ample interest in their surroundings such as having access to books and intellectual magazines have a big impact on the intelligence of the grown up child.
Are you really telling me that these kids:
are less intelligent than these kids?
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