Tories showing their true colours again.

ninky_2

ILW wrote: »

What is the problem with elitism, do you prefer mediocrity?

certain forms of elitism lead to mediocrity. i don't find the likes of cameron exceptional. all too often the mediocre thrive through the advantages of capital.

Dontdrinkurmilk

I think ninky, that they do actually see what they are doing. They do not care about people who are in a working class group.

andy.m_2

you dont need a degree to succeed in life, there are plenty on these forums who prove that matter.
As it happens I haven't had any success due to my degree that I did not acheive on merit alone.

Sensationalist crap for the purpose of a headline/thread

abaxas

mbga9pgf wrote: »

Time the nation supported the successful instead of the lame.

100% agree.

By definition you cannot have equality in things which are different.

ninky_2

Mr_Mumble wrote: »

Ugh, no, as the BBC report states in its 3rd paragraph anyone paying the market rate for a degree will free up a place for a subsidised place by not being subsidised themselves!

Why should foreign students be allowed to buy a place at an English university but British students be banned from the same option? The UK government would lose such a battle in the European courts so this not only saves the taxpayer money but also stops treating British students as 2nd class citizens and gives them equality with overseas students.

no one should be allowed to buy a place at a university. or rather perhaps there should be institutions that only offer degrees for cash and others that only offer degrees on merit. that would keep the two 'products' seperate and allow those with the degrees to have them correctly judged.

chucky

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

What did you expect?

i expect no less.

shortchanged wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13343824

Crux of this being......more wealthy students buying their places at university = Less student places available on merit.

Elitism cometh again.

i'm not sure if it's a good thing or bad thing - both sides of the argument has up and downsides.

unfortunately what it does do is create a two tier society that will guarantee that intelligent people who should be going to university will not go because they can't afford it.

mbga9pgf

chucky wrote: »

i expect no less.

i'm not sure if it's a good thing or bad thing - both sides of the argument has up and downsides.

unfortunately what it does do is create a two tier society that will guarantee that intelligent people who should be going to university will not go because they can't afford it.

No it doesnt. Intelligent successful people make their own luck; socialists whine and gripe why its "not fair for them".

StevieJ

ILW wrote: »

What is the problem with elitism, do you prefer mediocrity?

Wait a minute , aren't these the people who can't actually get a place on merit, hardly elitist

chucky

mbga9pgf wrote: »

No it doesnt. Intelligent successful people make their own luck; socialists whine and gripe why its "not fair for them".

ok then. if you say so.

you tell that to the gifted youngest boy born to a family of 6 in inner london.
he's really going to get a chance to pay for his degree compared to a boy born in Beaconsfield to a well off family,

no wait he was born a socialist and was born to whine and gripe so he shouldn't be educated.

chewmylegoff

shortchanged wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13343824

Crux of this being......more wealthy students buying their places at university = Less student places available on merit.

Elitism cometh again.

if there was a supply of rich people who all met the necessary academic standards but who were being turned away from university because there were not enough places, universities would just increase the number of places available as it would be economic for them to do so.

there is no need for this and if there is any shortage of university places (a non-sequitur given the number of unemployed graduates) it will be well and truly cured by tutition fees of £9k a year, which i should imagine will lead to a significant drop in student numbers.