self diagnosis on DLA claim form

Ugnaught

daska wrote: »

to be fair there's been more than one person on this forum saying that an an existing ATOS medical for one benefit has been used to refuse an application for another e.g.
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/3223578

:wall:I've been having difficulting finding the relevant part in that thread. Can someone point it out?

Ugnaught

xXMessedUpXx wrote: »

If i have cpa i''ve never seen the thing...

I've never been told about a Care Plan Approach but my Mind advisor advised that i ask my CPN for a photocopy of my care plan.

dmg24

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

Sorry for going off-topic, but does anyone here with bipolar also have a heightened sense of smell, taste and/or hearing? Wondering whether there's a connection or whether it might be caused by something entirely different.

Yep, my hearing is ridiculously oversensitive. I can't watch tv with other people because they can't hear my volume level and I cannot tolerate theirs. It has also caused huge sleep issues for me (I don't go to bed for months at a time, just snatch a few hours on the sofa), and various other issues that are a bit too close to the knuckle to mention. I have tried a white noise machine, which didn't help, but do have a noise loop which I play on my laptop that, as long as I have the tv on at the same time, makes background noise just about bearable.

My psych doesn't seem concerned ...

daska

AdeW wrote: »

:wall:I've been having difficulting finding the relevant part in that thread. Can someone point it out?

First post

Number1 wrote: »

My husband suffers from chronic arthritis in his hip which makes any form of walking extremely painful He stated in his dla forms that he could not walk any distance at all without extreme pain,He has been awarded high rate mobility and high rate care for the past 12 years, however in sept 2010 his was refused any rate of dla at all!.

They said he could walk over 100 meters and based this on the atos health care professional who examined him 13 months before he submitted this dla renewal claim!.

I initially asked for a reconsideration and i wrote a letter stating that a 13month old medical report could not possibly give an accurate account of his condition at the time of the claim and that i we strongly disagreed with the report its self anyway!. i also submitted letters from his GP and his consultant who both wrote letters stating he was in constant pain at all times when walking.

They reconsidered the claim and came to the same conclusion as before so we then filed for a paper appeal, where i again wrote a letter stating he was in constant pain when walking any distance, submited both reports from his gp and consultant who both clearly state his is in constant pain when walking, and also once again noted that a 13 month old report could not possibly give an accurate description of his condition at the time of the claim.

They claim that as he stated in his form his problems started in 1994 the 13month esa medical report was therefore valid.

We have just revived the result from the tribunal who have also not awarded him any rate again.

How can this be happening? he IS in constant pain when walking any distance he has chronic pain in his hips, he has a gp report stating exactly this and also another orthopedic consultant report stating the same thing, how on earth can they refuse him high rate mobility based on this? He could not possibly have any more concrete evidence that he submitted?

i am in total shock this is a total injustice i don't know what to do.

Ugnaught

daska wrote: »

to be fair there's been more than one person on this forum saying that an an existing ATOS medical for one benefit has been used to refuse an application for another e.g.
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/3223578

It seems to me that the valid 13 month old ESA medical report happened before the refused any rate DLA decision.

So a favourable ESA decision came before the unfavourable DLA decision rather than two unfavourable decisions in a row.

:think: Are you sure you got this right?

daska

daska wrote: »

to be fair there's been more than one person on this forum saying that an an existing ATOS medical for one benefit has been used to refuse an application for another e.g.
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/3223578

AdeW wrote: »

It seems to me that the valid 13 month old ESA medical report happened before the refused any rate DLA decision.

So a favourable ESA decision came before the unfavourable DLA decision rather than two unfavourable decisions in a row.

:think: Are you sure you got this right?

I didn't comment on the outcome of the application, only that existing reports had been used for a different benefit - and this was the first example that came to hand. We know (or at least I do personally, some people accept and others deny) that ATOS reports are more frequently than could be desired a complete load of bunkum. So, if old reports are used to decide eligibility then: it's possible for an old report to affect a current decision; an unprofessional report could affect a current decision inappropriately.

daska wrote: »

to be fair there's been more than one person on this forum saying that an an existing ATOS medical for one benefit has been used to refuse an application for another e.g.
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/3223578

Ugnaught

daska wrote: »

We know (or at least I do personally, some people accept and others deny) that ATOS reports are more frequently than could be desired a complete load of bunkum.

You might mean an example like this I found. Look at Message 25
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/F3611783?thread=6534156&latest=1 "I've recently appealed the WCA medical's decision and I've just received the DWP's written submission to the tribunal (which are a farce! eg "the person appeared clean"...I hadn't shaved for days !)."

:eek::mad:

Erme

kurgon wrote: »

You can't have a CPA without a meeting because that is what a CPA is. It was an outcome of the Ben Silcott and Christopher Klunis enquiries that indicated the need for proper planning in mental health. You may have a care plan which is non-cpa (this was the old standard cpa) but if your are under the juristiction of enhanced cpa then your care coordinators are not doing their job. They are also incorrect about having to have a diagnosis. It's a shame that there are still workers out there who are so medically minded. The focus should be on your needs, not on a diagnosis that could mean anything.

I don't dispute your experience, but I do dispute the working habits of those who are working with you.

Anyone know what Ben Silcott is unto these days...Met him years ago in my teens in FMII in the Maudsley...would love to get back in touch with him again

E

Ugnaught

Bing comes up with Forensic Medical Investigation Training
What does FMII stand for?

DeadWeightUk

munchings-n-crunchings wrote: »

If a DLA claim is over exaggerated, this will lead to the claim receiving further scrutiny, as a Decision Maker will have access to information regarding how a condition will affect a person.
Likewise, if you claim to have named disabilities, without a clinical diagnosis, I would expect your claim to receive that extra examination.

It sounds harsh, but your basically lying, laying claim to conditions you do not have.
Stick to the facts, and back these up with medical evidence / doctors reports. If you have been referred to specialists, say so, when and who. Any person you put on the form, can be contacted and a factual report requested.

Munchie

100% agree...or could end up with an application decline when might have actually qualified. Good luck