Debt Recovery Plus Ltd

mcworries

Help! I received two parking tickets from Parkforce, neither of which applied to me as I was not driving at the time. I read on these forums that I should ignore them. I did. Then I got letters from Debt Recovery Plus Ltd. I informed them, as per advice on these threads, that I was not the driver and that they had no legal authority to force me to disclose who was driving.
Debt Recovery Plus argue otherwise. They are now sending me threatening letters entitled 'Notice of Intended Litigation'.
I have done as they requested and stated that I was not the driver - can they now seriously take me to court over this and get a judgement against me? Am I obliged to find out who was driving and give this information to DRP? The letters are seriously worrying:(
Has anyone any advice as to what I should do now?

trisontana

Of course they can't. This is yet another example of a debt-recovery company lying through its teeth. You are not obliged to tell these scum anything. Who do they think they are? They are not the police or the council, but a bunch of private citizens with no more power than you or me to demand such information.

Coupon-mad

mcworries wrote: »

Help! I received two parking tickets from Parkforce, neither of which applied to me as I was not driving at the time. I read on these forums that I should ignore them. I did. Then I got letters from Debt Recovery Plus Ltd. I informed them, as per advice on these threads, that I was not the driver and that they had no legal authority to force me to disclose who was driving.
Debt Recovery Plus argue otherwise. They are now sending me threatening letters entitled 'Notice of Intended Litigation'.
I have done as they requested and stated that I was not the driver - can they now seriously take me to court over this and get a judgement against me? Am I obliged to find out who was driving and give this information to DRP? The letters are seriously worrying:(
Has anyone any advice as to what I should do now?

Errrrrm these threads on the forum NEVER advise anyone to write.:eek:

Our advice remains the same; ignore them, I do not understand why you thought writing to them was a good idea. They are hardly going to cancel the threats!

The letter you describe is shown in our top thread:

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/forumdisplay.php?f=163

You can see where you are in the scary letter-chain (all computerised rubbish). No harm done as you will get all the letters anyway.

anotherbaldrick

I think you are in an invulnerable position. Not only were you not the driver at the time but you have not the foggiest idea who the driver was - RIGHT. Stick with that and they are stuffed . But don't respond to any future letters.

asbokid

mcworries wrote: »

I informed them, as per advice on these threads......

The advice is to ignore them and their unenforceable demands and illegitimate threats.

But then you knew that, didn't you!

mcworries

Well - I was following Money Saving Expert advice - 'If you weren’t the driver simply state that, as the owner, you're not liable for any costs, and you're not prepared to state who was driving and are under no obligation to do so. Hopefully, that'll get the message across and they won’t contact you again. It’s best to do this in writing so you have a record of what was said.' - because I was scared to do nothing at all.

Has anyone else written stating they were not the driver? what happened? Were they still pursued?

trisontana

That was very old advice. The latest recommendation is not to contact them at all. That way they have no way of establishing the identity of the driver, and it denies them the knowledeg that somebody is actually reading their stupid letters.l

If you must write to them, tell them the "debt" is denied and any further correspondence from them will be regarded as harassment, and will be reported to the appropriate authorities. That's the law!

Coupon-mad

mcworries wrote: »

Well - I was following Money Saving Expert advice - 'If you weren’t the driver simply state that, as the owner, you're not liable for any costs, and you're not prepared to state who was driving and are under no obligation to do so. Hopefully, that'll get the message across and they won’t contact you again. It’s best to do this in writing so you have a record of what was said.' - because I was scared to do nothing at all.

Has anyone else written stating they were not the driver? what happened? Were they still pursued?

If you mean did the company still send the usual series of threats - yes of course, because they never stop until they have tried all the usual rubbish.

If you mean did they go to Court and lose - no. Almost no-one gerts taken to Court anyway, and certainly not in a case where they cannot show who was driving - they would be mental to try it and you would win. Do not spend another moment worrying about this scam.

No harm done but always follow current FORUM advice on any issue, not a 3 year old article on any website. This one included.

MichaelCR

mcworries wrote: »

Help! I received two parking tickets from Parkforce, neither of which applied to me as I was not driving at the time. I read on these forums that I should ignore them. I did. Then I got letters from Debt Recovery Plus Ltd. I informed them, as per advice on these threads, that I was not the driver and that they had no legal authority to force me to disclose who was driving.
Debt Recovery Plus argue otherwise. They are now sending me threatening letters entitled 'Notice of Intended Litigation'.
I have done as they requested and stated that I was not the driver - can they now seriously take me to court over this and get a judgement against me? Am I obliged to find out who was driving and give this information to DRP? The letters are seriously worrying:(
Has anyone any advice as to what I should do now?

NO NO NO NO !

Take a deep breath, And firstly, Don't Panic.

These clowns are clearing lying through there teeth to try and trick you into paying.

Firstly, Parkforce sound to me like a private firm, So a parking fine from them is mearly an invoice, Under no circumstances are you obliged to pay them a single penny.

Private Parking Company's, Have absolutely no authority, Like i said, a 'fine' from one, Is an invoice, Best place for it is the shredder of course.

Isn't it worrying that the DVLA are more than happy to provide your details to a private firm.

NOW,

For the Debt Collection Agency,

I have said this over and over again on these forums, They have no power, Or any authority.

Heres some solid advice for you regarding the Debt collectors.

Don't Pay.

Firstly, If you get a letter from any kind of debt collection etc, Simply Return the Letter to sender, Placing the following on the front of the letter envelope.

' I do not recognize you, I do not understand your intent. I do not have an international treaty with you. No assured value, No liability. '

And also write on the letter several times, ' No Contract, Return to sender '

By writing this on the letter (Preferably on a sticky label placed over the addressee window on the letter), You are saying the following,

- I do not Recognize you
- I do not understand your intent
- We have no contract
- We have no international Treaty
- No liability accepted
- No assured value.

Remember, that "debt" collection agencies have bought the so called "debt" and therefore it is paid. They are third party interlopers who have no contract with you. They have stupidly paid your debt for you and now are clutching at straws, Do not feed the system, Do not feed the private corporations that cause nothing but misery for many people, Using un-lawful methods.

You have no contract with any third party debt collection agency, You have no debt with them, Regardless of what you are told.

If you get threats from door step collectors,

If you ever do get a visit from them,

Place the following on your front gate or any entrance to your property.

''NOTICE

REMOVAL OF IMPLIED RIGHT OF ACCESS

Notice to agent is notice to principal, Notice to principal is notice to agent.

I hereby give notice that the implied right of access to this property has been removed in respect of the following

Any Employee, Agent, Principal or any other PERSONS acting on behalf of the CORPORATE COURTS, LOCAL COUNCIL, PRIVATE CORPORATION, PUBLIC AGENCY or GOVERNMENT AGENCY.

ANY TRANSGRESSION OF THIS NOTICE WITHOUT our pre written signed consent may result in a fine of £10,000 for the Man, Woman and Corporation separately.

By stepping beyond this point you agree to the terms and conditions above.

24HR CCTV in operation.''

This will most certainly keep them away.

KNOW YOUR RIGHTS !

PEACE.

HO87

The problem with the Freeman-on-the-land approach is that DCA's will completely ignore it because it rejects the legal basis under which they operate (I do understand the arguments). There is another, somewhat briefer way to tackle them:

<Company Address>
<Street Name>
<Town/City>
<County>
<Postcode>

Ref: <Reference>

Dear Sirs

I refer to your letter of <date>.

I do not acknowledge any debt to your company and will not, under any circumstances make any payment in the absence of a court judgement. Please issue proceedings within ten days or I will regard the matter as closed.

Yours faithfully

<insert name - not signature>

[Then, in smaller font size]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Please note:[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1. The implied, unconditional and general licence at Common Law that extends to members of the public to call at this address for such everyday purposes as the delivery and collection of mail; asking directions and negotiating business etc insofar as it relates to your company, employees, contractors, agents and assigns is hereby withdrawn with immediate effect and in its entirety.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2. Should any of your employees, contractors or agents call at this address then they will be deemed to be trespassers and may therefore be exposed to the use of force sufficient to secure their removal from the premises. In particular it should be noted that should any of your employees, contractors, agents or assigns call at this address in the face of the withdrawal of this licence then such actions may be deemed to demonstrate a degree of recklessness or indifference that may render them liable to proceedings for breach of the peace and harassment. For the sake of clarity, neither your staff, contractors, agents or assigns are welcome at this address at any time under any circumstances.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]3. With immediate effect handling and responding to any further correspondence from you will be charged at the normal hourly rate of £<hourly rate> and will also incur a standard administration charge of £<standard rate> per letter. The receipt of telephone calls/SMS texts will incur a charge of £<standard rate> per call/text. Payment of all charges is due upon receipt of invoice. No statements or reminders will be provided and in the event of non-payment the right to issue proceedings without recourse to you is reserved. The receipt of any further letter from yourselves will be deemed to be full acceptance of these terms.[/FONT]

Oopsadaisy

MichaelCR wrote: »

NO NO NO NO !

Take a deep breath, And firstly, Don't Panic.

These clowns are clearing lying through there teeth to try and trick you into paying.

Firstly, Parkforce sound to me like a private firm, So a parking fine from them is mearly an invoice, Under no circumstances are you obliged to pay them a single penny.

Private Parking Company's, Have absolutely no authority, Like i said, a 'fine' from one, Is an invoice, Best place for it is the shredder of course.

Isn't it worrying that the DVLA are more than happy to provide your details to a private firm.

NOW,

For the Debt Collection Agency,

I have said this over and over again on these forums, They have no power, Or any authority.

Heres some solid advice for you regarding the Debt collectors.

Don't Pay.

Firstly, If you get a letter from any kind of debt collection etc, Simply Return the Letter to sender, Placing the following on the front of the letter envelope.

' I do not recognize you, I do not understand your intent. I do not have an international treaty with you. No assured value, No liability. '

And also write on the letter several times, ' No Contract, Return to sender '

By writing this on the letter (Preferably on a sticky label placed over the addressee window on the letter), You are saying the following,

- I do not Recognize you
- I do not understand your intent
- We have no contract
- We have no international Treaty
- No liability accepted
- No assured value.

Remember, that "debt" collection agencies have bought the so called "debt" and therefore it is paid. They are third party interlopers who have no contract with you. They have stupidly paid your debt for you and now are clutching at straws, Do not feed the system, Do not feed the private corporations that cause nothing but misery for many people, Using un-lawful methods.

You have no contract with any third party debt collection agency, You have no debt with them, Regardless of what you are told.

If you get threats from door step collectors,

If you ever do get a visit from them,

Place the following on your front gate or any entrance to your property.

''NOTICE

REMOVAL OF IMPLIED RIGHT OF ACCESS

Notice to agent is notice to principal, Notice to principal is notice to agent.

I hereby give notice that the implied right of access to this property has been removed in respect of the following

Any Employee, Agent, Principal or any other PERSONS acting on behalf of the CORPORATE COURTS, LOCAL COUNCIL, PRIVATE CORPORATION, PUBLIC AGENCY or GOVERNMENT AGENCY.

ANY TRANSGRESSION OF THIS NOTICE WITHOUT our pre written signed consent may result in a fine of £10,000 for the Man, Woman and Corporation separately.

By stepping beyond this point you agree to the terms and conditions above.

24HR CCTV in operation.''

This will most certainly keep them away.

KNOW YOUR RIGHTS !

PEACE.

Seems a bit barking to me.....