SNP Win - The Economics of D-I-V-O-R-C-E

Generali

Kohoutek wrote: »

The reason Wales is not on the Union Jack is because Wales has at no point in its history been an independent sovereign state.

Is that true? What was the set-up before The English invaded? Lots of small states presumably.

Kohoutek

Generali wrote: »

Is that true? What was the set-up before The English invaded? Lots of small states presumably.

Yes, as far as I know the modern territory recognised as Wales has never been united as one independent country. Certainly large parts of Wales used to be semi-automous vassal states (the medieval equivalent of what Gibraltar or the Isle of Man is to the UK), but the same is true of Northern England too.

Wales has been de facto part of England since the conquest of Edward I (late 1200s) and de jure since legislature introduced by Henry VIII (mid 1500s).

It's not all bad for the Welsh through, the founding member of the Tudor dynasty, Owen Tudor, was a Welshman!

pbouk

chewmylegoff wrote: »

so, in conclusion, it is actually you who has no evidence to back up what you are saying. also, for someone who was bored of this long ago, it is strange that you are so excited about it that you have actually wet yourself.



i'm english

not excited about anything, just find it funny how you kept mentioning westminster wanted this that whatever, when you couldnt accept the final decision was with snp. i dont need to have any evidence for anything as this is about snp.

pbouk

beecher2 wrote: »

that's just complete nonsense - the government have always explained their reasoning behind the compassionate release.

Alex Salmond's comments on his vision for independence made perfect sense to me - he's playing the long game, and has done for a long time.

I can't understand why you're so interested in this when you clearly have very little knowledge about Scottish politics.

and how do you come to that conclusion? i could just say you clearly have little knowledge about scottish politics.

purch

Yes, as far as I know the modern territory recognised as Wales has never been united as one independent country. Certainly large parts of Wales used to be semi-automous vassal states (the medieval equivalent of what Gibraltar or the Isle of Man is to the UK), but the same is true of Northern England too.

For much of period after the Romans, between 400AD and 900AD, Wales was made up of Dyfed, Seisyllwg, Powys and Gwynedd, each ruled by a separate "King".

Hywel Dda was the first King to unite these areas into one "Kingdom" in about 950AD. The area probably constitutes about 80% of what is now Wales.

The statute of Rhuddlan in 1284 created the Principality of Wales.

Owain Glyndwr was the last Welshman to be Prince of Wales, as far as I can remember.

chewmylegoff

pbouk wrote: »

not excited about anything, just find it funny how you kept mentioning westminster wanted this that whatever, when you couldnt accept the final decision was with snp. i dont need to have any evidence for anything as this is about snp.

It was pretty clear I understood who had made the decision right from the start. I'm not really sure what your point is, as my point was only that it was pretty clear that Westminster supported the decision made by the Scottish govt.

pbouk

chewmylegoff wrote: »

It was pretty clear I understood who had made the decision right from the start. I'm not really sure what your point is, as my point was only that it was pretty clear that Westminster supported the decision made by the Scottish govt.

yes true but what does it matter if westminster wanted it too(as i have said before) it was the snp who realeased him, so why bring westminster into it, thats my point.

Shakethedisease

yes true but what does it matter if westminster wanted it too(as i have said before) it was the snp who realeased him, so why bring westminster into it, thats my point.

Well you've completely lost me ? The Scottish government ( SNP were a minority government at that point ) released him, Westminster agreed.. what exactly IS your point ?

pbouk

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Well you've completely lost me ? The Scottish government ( SNP were a minority government at that point ) released him, Westminster agreed.. what exactly IS your point ?

i know we have lost you . you clearly dont know what we are talking about.

Shakethedisease

No I've been following the thread, and I know what you've been having hysterics over... but I'm not sure what the actual point of the hysterics are, nor what it has to do with the OP. Never mind, carry on..:)