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Receiving the same wage as the trainees!
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Well there could well be an experience thing with the wage you are getting, i am 37 if i had been doing the job lets say for 15 years i would expect to paid more than someone who is 22 and to be fair not that experienced IMO.0
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LittleVoice wrote: »...
I don't understand why a trainee would start at above the first spinal point of the scale...
It could be that the trainee's payscale is something like £14k - £24k and the particular trainees the OP is speaking with are at the top of their scale.
The OP is not necessarily being discriminated against versus the other people in her same role - they are all on the same pay scale ... just some are further up it than the OP who is still near the bottom."Now to trolling as a concept. .... Personally, I've always found it a little sad that people choose to spend such a large proportion of their lives in this way but they do, and we have to deal with it." - MSE Forum Manager 6th July 20100 -
Apparantly one of the managers of my manager set the pay as I am not as experienced. However, on asking my manager why he had this impression she said that no one has ever come to her to ask her the level of my experience or my job duties.
The ages of the other employees vary from 30ish-60. I can only assume that I am being discriminated against because of my age as I am hard working and don't have any problems with flexibility. I work 8.30-4.30 but if the job requires that I stay later or do work from home then I do it. It's actually upset me a little. Don't really know how to move forward as I know there will be job cuts soon. With discussions with other people they say it actually puts me in a stronger position for keeping my job as they are getting a £32,000 job on a £24,000 salary and I am less likely to be made redundant because of this.That shouldn't come into it, it should be determined by skills audit if you all do the same job. However,...in real life it may well be factored in. I think it safe to assume that if you rock the boat if redundancies are already mooted it will not go in your favour.:(
I agree with poet123.
Worse still is if the management are weak (and/or the unions are strong) then any forced redundancy may possibly be on a LIFO basis, so those who are earning more may remain (as presumably they have been there longer, and hence risen up the steps within the payscale further than you ... based on merit of course) "Now to trolling as a concept. .... Personally, I've always found it a little sad that people choose to spend such a large proportion of their lives in this way but they do, and we have to deal with it." - MSE Forum Manager 6th July 20100 -
...We both do the same role in the office and she tells me that she earns £32,000 as does everyone else. I spoke to my line manager who confirmed that they are all at the top of the pay scale for the job position (currently £22,000-£32,000). ...I earn 23,800 ...
The council is currently going through modernising pay. I have been passed as a grade 6 and everyone else a 7 despite my job description not differing at all from the other employees and my manager confirms that no one has ever spoken to her about my job description so someone from the management team must have assumed that my work differs.
I was not aware that the other employees were grade 7 until speaking to this lady from the office.
Sorry, I may have misunderstood ... along with others.
When you started this thread you said you were paid £23.8k being in the payscale £22k-£32k.
Now you seem to be saying you are a grade 6 whilst others are grade 7. So presumably a grade 7 payscale is £22k-£32k. What is a grade 6 payscale???
It would seem odd that 2 people doing the same job with same job description and job title are on 2 different scales. (although they could be on different salaries within that payscale as I earlier indicated)
Edit: unless as another poster pointed out, the other experienced employees have a protected salary rate i.e. they previously got a grade 7, the job went and they now have to do a grade 6 job as there is nothing else suitable at present."Now to trolling as a concept. .... Personally, I've always found it a little sad that people choose to spend such a large proportion of their lives in this way but they do, and we have to deal with it." - MSE Forum Manager 6th July 20100 -
It could be that the trainee's payscale is something like £14k - £24k and the particular trainees the OP is speaking with are at the top of their scale.
The OP is not necessarily being discriminated against versus the other people in her same role - they are all on the same pay scale ... just some are further up it than the OP who is still near the bottom.
The OP and the trainee are now disclosed as being on the same payscale and apparently the same spinal point - when the OP has been in post for some time and moved up the payscale. Perhaps the questions are "how long is a trainee expected to be a trainee?" and "how long has this particular trainee been in post?"0 -
Wanted to point out that I was happy with my grading (grade 6) and everything was fine until I founf out that the trainees appealed their grading (grade 5) and won and are now on grade 6 which is the same as me.
I don't know how it works in the public sector, but often in the private sector trainees have their own specific pay grade e.g. 99
Are you sure the trainees haven't just come off their training grade (having completed training) and are now simply on the same grade as you as full time employees like yourself?
If the trainees really are the same grade as you, why don't you apply for a trainee position, take home the same pay and do half the job (and no doubt get a load of training courses thrown in to boot
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Edit: Again, it would seem most odd that 2 jobs of clearly differing roles and responsibilities are on the same pay scale. The typical dispute is over say is a financial analyst more, less or the same skilled as an engineer? Here you seem to have 2 very similar roles, but one with a lot more responsibility compared to the trainee who simply shadows and does admin. I would agree if that really is the case, then a review of the payscales is required.
How did the trainees get an increase? i.e. who were they comparing themselves to? Presumably not yourselves. So now you need to do similar, comparing youselves to the trainees
(Then if anyone is on a protected grade, they may be able to fully justify their pay again) "Now to trolling as a concept. .... Personally, I've always found it a little sad that people choose to spend such a large proportion of their lives in this way but they do, and we have to deal with it." - MSE Forum Manager 6th July 20100 -
What public sector do you work in? They seem to be paying seriously good money I might get a job working for them!! I do appreciate what others are saying about same job on different grade, but if this is a career grade post it is not unusual.0
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This isn't true. I have what I believe to be a very impressive CV for my age. I will only go into one of the other employees background. She has told me that most of her work is in childcare. She is roughly 41 and spent 15 years as a childminder and then a receptionist for a construction company where she was responsible for placing the orders for the works. I have worked in London and Pakistan as part of a large scale construction company and worked my way up from the bottom. I, in no way, find my experience inferior from hers and know that she has only being doing procurment for 5 years.
You can believe your CV is impressive as much as you want. You can believe your experience isn't inferior to hers but thats a tainted view and obviously not that of your employers.
You've worked for a construction company so if you're going to slag off the other peoples competency because they've not done the specific role, then your experience isn't worth a toss either.
At the end of the day you are 22 years old and barely more than a kid. You may not like to hear that but when it comes to work, thats exactly where you are. Whilst the 41 year old may not have had more specific job experience than you, she has nearly double the life experience and several times work experience.
One way of looking at your experience is that you've merely worked as a paper pusher in a construction company before changing to the council to do more of the same.0 -
I will give estimates as I am not a hundred percent sure of the correct figures at the moment. I didn't appreciate that some people would have as much understanding of the grading structures and therefore tried to make it simpler than it is in my first post.
I was on maternity leave when I recieved a letter about my grading for my job description and job title (grade 6). As it merely said my job title and the grade I was under no impression that any of the others were given a grade 7. On a back to work day last week the conversation happened with the employee and I find out that they were all graded as a 7.
The trainee version of the post was graded a 5 but this was appealed against successfully and they have been given a grade 6. I believe grade 5 is £16,000-£24,000. Grade 6 is £22,000-£29,000 and grade 7 is £27,000-£33,000.
Effectively, if the trainees were unsuccessful they would have recieved a pay cut as length of service and increments before the switch to modernising pay meant they were assimilated over at roughly the same wage as me. Meaning they are earning £23,000 a year, recieving training, going on courses and getting to do a lighter version of the job and when their manager finds them competent enough can promote them will move on to grade 7.
Whereas, I am stuck on grade 6, completely unsure how to progress through to the grade 7 (My line manager has told me that I have a bar although I am not sure of the implications of the bar or how to get passed it).
Hammyman, thanks for your comments. I appreciate that I am only 22 but I am the mother of two small children, live and pay for myself and have done for many years - I don't think I'm remotely "little more than a child".
The main problem is that I have missed the appeal stage and think it's unlikely that I will be allowed to appeal now.0 -
Unfortunately seems very much like a case of the employer effectively saying - if you think you can get a better paid job elsewhere, then please do.Whereas, I am stuck on grade 6, completely unsure how to progress through to the grade 7 (My line manager has told me that I have a bar although I am not sure of the implications of the bar or how to get passed it).Wanted a job, now have one. :beer:0
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