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Tenants and access issues!!

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  • DVardysShadow
    DVardysShadow Posts: 18,949 Forumite
    Yorkie1 wrote: »
    I would also add a bit into the letter that pushing the door shut onto you is a criminal assault ... not just bad manners.
    It was fairly deliberate not to do that. The letter generally sticks to matters of fact - whether it was assault or criminal is a matter of interpretation. The one bit of interpretation, that it was lack of manners is implied rather than stated - and is also a fairly evident understatement. I doubt you could write a closing sentence quite as contemptuous if you chose to frame her actions as criminal assault.
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  • keystone
    keystone Posts: 10,916 Forumite
    Right of access may not necessarily established by custom and practice. If it were your own property then you should seek an appointment with a conveyancing solicitor to establish the rights and wrongs of this situation in law. However, your first port of call is with your landlord. If he has granted exclusive use of your garden to you then she is acting against that right he has granted you and he should be involved.

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  • keystone
    keystone Posts: 10,916 Forumite
    Yorkie1 wrote: »
    I would also add a bit into the letter that pushing the door shut onto you is a criminal assault ... not just bad manners.
    No it would be common assault which is a civil not a criminal matter and to obtain redress you would have to sue. IIRC it only becomes criminal assault if the assault takes place during the performance of a criminal act which should then be reported to the police.

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  • clutton_2
    clutton_2 Posts: 11,149 Forumite
    why not knock on the door ask her in for a cup of tea and have a chat first ......
  • DVardysShadow
    DVardysShadow Posts: 18,949 Forumite
    clutton wrote: »
    why not knock on the door ask her in for a cup of tea and have a chat first ......
    Once it has gone to a solicitor's letter, I would not risk doing anything informal.
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  • Yorkie1
    Yorkie1 Posts: 12,239 Forumite
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    keystone wrote: »
    No it would be common assault which is a civil not a criminal matter and to obtain redress you would have to sue. IIRC it only becomes criminal assault if the assault takes place during the performance of a criminal act which should then be reported to the police.

    Cheers

    Sorry, but no. If you deliberately or recklessly apply unlawful (i.e. not in self-defence, which this clearly wasn't) force to another person's body, that is battery contrary to s.39 Criminal Justice Act 1988 - punishable by 6 months in prison. Common assault is battery without the application of force - merely causing apprehension of the application of unlawful force. There is no distinction at this level of assault such as you make between an assault during another act, and a standalone assault.

    I accept that criminal assault isn't a legal term within the criminal justice system but the phrase 'battery' isn't widely-known.
  • Yorkie1
    Yorkie1 Posts: 12,239 Forumite
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    It was fairly deliberate not to do that. The letter generally sticks to matters of fact - whether it was assault or criminal is a matter of interpretation. The one bit of interpretation, that it was lack of manners is implied rather than stated - and is also a fairly evident understatement. I doubt you could write a closing sentence quite as contemptuous if you chose to frame her actions as criminal assault.

    Fair enough, I see your reasoning.
  • Tiddlywinks
    Tiddlywinks Posts: 5,777 Forumite
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    Are the properties owned by the same landlord?

    Has your landlord noted any issues from his previous tenants?
    :hello:
  • princeofpounds
    princeofpounds Posts: 10,396 Forumite
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    Hi, I'm not an expert in these issues but I think it is very possible that through long use of the path she may have established an easement (right of use). However, she is very rude that's for sure, and she certainly wouldn't have the right to prioritise herself over your use as long as you weren't blocking her access more than temporarily. Also how you enforce/resolve an issue when a tenant is more difficult to determine.

    You might wish to post this question on the neighbours from hell forum, or gardenlaw forum where you might get better advice. If you do, I'd be fascinated if you could give us a bit of an update so that we could help people in similar situations in the future.
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