Staff refusing to work overtime because of tax credits.

nottslass_2

dmg24 wrote: »

How rude! There is nothing in the OP to suggest that they treat their staff badly.

!!!!!! ! I did not for one moment state that the OP treats their staff badly - I just suggested that MAYBE that could be (one of )the reasons why the staff didn't want to work OT.
Much more constructive than suggesting the OP sack the staff don't you think ............?

laisbojar83

dmg24 wrote: »

How rude! There is nothing in the OP to suggest that they treat their staff badly.

I agree with you dmg24.

Unfortunately, some people do not treasure their jobs like they used to. The company I work for is far from perfect but whenever I can I offer to help simply because I am thankful to have a job these days when so many are losing theirs.

Sixer

OP: as noted above, it's unlikely the odd few hours extra will affect tax credits, but they may affect other benefits - could your employees mean other benefits such as LHA/HB? If not, it may well be that it's a school holiday issue and they just don't like to tell you that - especially if many/some of these positions are for part-time, second-earners within families. The extra money from a few hours may simply not make up for the added headaches vis a vis childcare. This is doubly true when a part-timer's extra hours puts them over the tax or NI threshold.

allen35

big_finger wrote: »

hello.

Im a small employer in the north east and we are a fairly seasonal business and april if a busy month for us and its also end of year stock take. no problem i though ill get some extra hours off my workers with some overtime to help fill the orders and get the stock take done in this stupid 3 day week they have imposed on us next week.

however.

70% of my staff (anyone with a family) are refusing to work the overtime offered as they say.

1. the money is taken off them by tax credits (thier credits are reduced)wrong, tax credits are, initially based on previous years income, it would be next year they may feel the effect but would be nominal if overtime is only a few hours.
2. if they tell hmrc that they have worked overtime they stop the credits while they work it out and they have to survive without the credits they have come to rely on. No need to inform HMRC, (they will have to declare their earnings next Apr'-July) only if through the year their houshold income increases by £10,000 would they need to inform HMRC

i called hmrc and they didnt seem to know the answer or be able to explain thier own system to me.

can anyone on here help ? i find it hard to belive that the goverment has hamstrung bussiness by penalising people fortunate enough to be in regular employment and in a bussiness that doing well.

any and all help appreciated.

As stated be aware that refusal could be because of a number of reasons such as childcare during holiday time and this is the easiest excuse to avoid being singled out.

Have you thought about taking on casual workers for a few weeks to help with the backlog if there's plenty to do, ask at the jobcentre if they could advertise a few weeks work.

michelle1506

Workers are entitled to have a loyalty to themselves first, before someone else's business. I wouldn't want to work for you :eek: with that attitude!

dmg24 wrote: »

Sack them (very easy if they are in the first year of employment) and recruit staff who are committed to the business.

michelle1506

Nothing wrong with helping out when you can! But it could be that someone's else's family committments do not ALLOW them the same flexibility as what your lifestyle does.

laisbojar83 wrote: »

I agree with you dmg24.

Unfortunately, some people do not treasure their jobs like they used to. The company I work for is far from perfect but whenever I can I offer to help simply because I am thankful to have a job these days when so many are losing theirs.

dark_lady

Did anyone notice the bad grammar in the original post. And this is supposed to be an employer? The bad grammar makes me wonder if this is a troll.

bitemebankers

big_finger wrote: »

70% of my staff (anyone with a family) are refusing to work the overtime offered as they say...

At the end of the day, does it matter what reason they give? You have no right to demand that they do overtime and they don't owe you an explanation if they're unwilling to do it. If you need more staff, take more people on, either on a casual or part-time basis.

If you knew April was going to be a busy month anyway, it would have been a good idea to ask your existing staff if they were prepared to work overtime back in the early spring, giving you plenty of time to recruit if they were unwilling.

It's the six 'P's, really.

Did anyone notice the bad grammar in the original post. And this is supposed to be an employer? The bad grammar makes me wonder if this is a troll.

Not necessarily. The standards of literacy on these boards are generally atrocious.

flea72

with a withdrawl rate on tax credits of 41%, there isnt much of an incentive to try and earn a little extra money, espec once you factor in tax and NI on top, it just isnt worth putting yourself out for - and then the next tax year your extra earnings catch up with you, and they lower your entitlement

however, you may find that time off in lieu would be a good incentive rather than money, as for most parents being able to rack up additional holiday time is worth much more to them

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misssmcc

overtime isnt mandatory is it? if they dont want to because of tax credits/ kids off school/ sick grandma thats up to them. and dont you only have to declare a change in income if it lasts for more than one week? so they could do it if they wanted with no reduction in tax credits as long as its only for one week? please correct me if i am wrong.