Hairdressing injury claim?

Money_User

dpassmore wrote: »

You have unwittingly confirmed the whole point I am trying to make - remove the human element - you avoid the accident!

But then that doesn't make sense. So you're saying accidents happen because we're human? So they only way we could aviod accidents is for humans to do nothing just incase they have an accident.

Which basically means although you can look at something in hindsight and say well it could have been avioded the fact of the matter is humans have accidents because were not perfect. Which basically means the statement all accidents are avoidable can never be true because we can't aviod not being perfect and never making mistakes.

I think you're confusing hindsight, fact and reality. Basically, saying all accidents are avoidable is not and never will be reality.

dickydonkin

Money_User wrote: »

But then that doesn't make sense. So you're saying accidents happen because we're human? So they only way we could aviod accidents is for humans to do nothing just incase they have an accident.

Which basically means although you can look at something in hindsight and say well it could have been avioded the fact of the matter is humans have accidents because were not perfect. Which basically means the statement all accidents are avoidable can never be true because we can't aviod not being perfect and never making mistakes.

So you're saying accidents happen because we're human?

Yes - provide me with an example of an accident and I will attempt to explain. I tried to with the hairdressing example.

Accident reporting is unfortunately all about looking at something in hindsight - which will provide insight to what the actual cause of an accident was and to ensure it never happens again.

If you have the time, read this and hopefully it will shed more light on human behaviour and factors in respect of safety and accidents - look at the Human Failure section in particular. It is what I am attempting to get over - not very successfully it seems.

halibut2209

There is a MASSIVE difference between "All accidents are avoidable" and "All accidents COULD HAVE been avoided".

The former is simply nonsense.

George_Michael

Yes - provide me with an example of an accident and I will attempt to explain. I tried to with the hairdressing example.

How about this.

Someone makes a cup of coffee and is carrying it into another room.
For no apparent medical reason they get a nervous twitch or a sudden cramp in their arm which causes them to drop the cup. (ie, they have an accident).
How could this have been avoided?

Or this (which has happened to me).
Someone putting a contact lens into their eye sneezes at just the wrong time, causing them to catch their eye a bit too hard with their fingertip.
They had no warning that they were about to sneeze so didn't have time to move their hand away from their face.
How could this have been avoided?

Both accidents and both (or similar sorts of accidents) probably happen to many people.

If you have the time, read this and hopefully it will shed more light on human behaviour and factors in respect of safety and accidents

I've read it, and whilst it is interesting, it is only dealing with accidents and incidents which human factors have some sort of input to the cause of the accident.
In these cases, then yes, all these accidents could be avoided.
But, not all accidents have human influences, errors or omissions as one or more of the contributing factors, and these accidents are not always avoidable.

fluffnutter

George_Michael wrote: »

How about this.

Someone makes a cup of coffee and is carrying it into another room.
For no apparent medical reason they get a nervous twitch or a sudden cramp in their arm which causes them to drop the cup. (ie, they have an accident).
How could this have been avoided?

By never carrying cups of coffee.

fluffnutter

halibut2209 wrote: »

There is a MASSIVE difference between "All accidents are avoidable" and "All accidents COULD HAVE been avoided".

Now, I've been reading those two statements, and even saying them out loud, for a few minutes now... but, nope, I think they amount to the same thing, semantically. If something 'could have' been avoided, then it 'is' avoidable. But language is funny like that... open to interpretation.

halibut2209

As Yoda says "Impossible to see the future is"

For "All accidents are avoidable" to be true, one would have to be able to see into the future.

"All accidents could have been avoided" is being able to see into the past

fluffnutter

halibut2209 wrote: »

As Yoda says "Impossible to see the future is"

For "All accidents are avoidable" to be true, one would have to be able to see into the future.

"All accidents could have been avoided" is being able to see into the past

Ooh, that's, like, so existentialist!

PZH

fluffnutter wrote: »

Ooh, that's, like, so existentialist!

:rotfl: - had to google that one - :rotfl:

Think that qualifies for the "Word of the Day" award :T

PZH

squeaky wrote: »

Pooh says it best...

Sometimes a boat is a boat and sometimes it's more of an accident.
It depends on whether you're on top of it or underneath it. [Pooh]

Good old Pooh - wise beyond his years... :j