Incapacity to Esa switch over Question

Prinzessilein

KXKX - I think there might be a part missed from your 'exemptions'.

I can't be sure, I'll have to search for it - unless someone else comes along and finds the reference before me ....whereby there are 'special circumstances' for being put into toe Support group.

As I recall, it says something like ' If your mental or physical health would be at risk if you were put intothe Work-Related Group then you will be put into the Support Group'

de1amo

i have visions of the job club from little britain when these 'groups are mentioned--i can see a whole new industry employing thousands of people dealing with all the appeals and these groups--there will be new jobs created but none for the 'victims!

sunnyone

Prinzessilein wrote: »

KXKX - I think there might be a part missed from your 'exemptions'.

I can't be sure, I'll have to search for it - unless someone else comes along and finds the reference before me ....whereby there are 'special circumstances' for being put into toe Support group.

As I recall, it says something like ' If your mental or physical health would be at risk if you were put intothe Work-Related Group then you will be put into the Support Group'

This criteria isnt often used, it is in my husbands case as hes very, very ill and the deparment dealing with his claim has only seen one other person in the support group under this, nearly everyone you read about online thinks that they will fulfill criteria 29 but they wont.

alexandrajj

sunnyone wrote: »

This criteria isnt often used, it is in my husbands case as hes very, very ill and the deparment dealing with his claim has only seen one other person in the support group under this, nearly everyone you read about online thinks that they will fulfill criteria 29 but they wont.

A poster above found criteria which said people with severe mental illness are no longer exempt nor people on high rate DLA. Yet there's this criteria 29?

My partner is on IB, & high rate DLA for mental health reasons predominantly (& some physical). He's never had an IB review in 8 years but has 2 yearly DLA renewals (which always come back HRC again). Recently he had his DLA unexpectedly reviewed (we're guessing someone reported him as not ill- or should I say someone thought he doesn't look ill) This sent him so so ill. GP concerned, psychiatrist wanted him in hospital but didn't force him so he had weekly appointments with psychiatrist (it was every 4 months before the unexpected review). His weekly appoinments are ongoing & he is totally paranoid about it all now. So because of this I REALLY fear what
he'll do when the ESA transfer letter arrives & I absolutely dread thinking
about what'll happen if he doesn't get put in the support group for ESA. This is
why I ask about exemptions.

Oh and by the way, his unexpected DLA came back HRC as always. So by being reported, they succeeded in simply making an ill man even iller. All because someone thought he was getting £300 a month he shouldn't. Well it's now still costing the state £300 a month PLUS the NHS god knows how much more in medication, weekly Psychiatrist appointments, fortnightly GP appointments, CPN visits (none before) and a social services Care package (we managed alone before). No very money saving is it?

Oh and then there's ours & his quality of "life" deterioration & deterioration of familial bonds due to misplaced paranoia but know one cares about that.....

Zziggi

I have a related question, are there any conditions which mean a person automatically goes into the support group after a medical?

Someone told me regular loss of consciousness (ie epilepsy) was one?

Tehya

Zziggi wrote: »

I have a related question, are there any conditions which mean a person automatically goes into the support group after a medical?

Someone told me regular loss of consciousness (ie epilepsy) was one?

I'm not sure why my husband was placed in the support group without having a medical, he illness is psoriatic arthritis but he also has severe psoriasis, severe ashtma and arrhythmia caused by the medications.

My son (now adult) is also in the support group (mental health) and even though he has severe depression and suicidal thoughts the reason for the support group inclusion was because he's completely delusional. He did though only qualify after having a medical but like my husband he's not been given a review date either.

I really do think they make it up as they go along.

sunnyone

alexandrajj wrote: »

A poster above found criteria which said people with severe mental illness are no longer exempt nor people on high rate DLA. Yet there's this criteria 29?

My partner is on IB, & high rate DLA for mental health reasons predominantly (& some physical). He's never had an IB review in 8 years but has 2 yearly DLA renewals (which always come back HRC again). Recently he had his DLA unexpectedly reviewed (we're guessing someone reported him as not ill- or should I say someone thought he doesn't look ill) This sent him so so ill. GP concerned, psychiatrist wanted him in hospital but didn't force him so he had weekly appointments with psychiatrist (it was every 4 months before the unexpected review). His weekly appoinments are ongoing & he is totally paranoid about it all now. So because of this I REALLY fear what
he'll do when the ESA transfer letter arrives & I absolutely dread thinking
about what'll happen if he doesn't get put in the support group for ESA. This is
why I ask about exemptions.

Oh and by the way, his unexpected DLA came back HRC as always. So by being reported, they succeeded in simply making an ill man even iller. All because someone thought he was getting £300 a month he shouldn't. Well it's now still costing the state £300 a month PLUS the NHS god knows how much more in medication, weekly Psychiatrist appointments, fortnightly GP appointments, CPN visits (none before) and a social services Care package (we managed alone before). No very money saving is it?

Oh and then there's ours & his quality of "life" deterioration & deterioration of familial bonds due to misplaced paranoia but know one cares about that.....

You are not exempt from a medical with criteria 29 but if you are found to to be in the support group if you fulfil it but its extremly rare to fulfil it.

Mordred12

KxMx wrote: »

It's worth saying that ESA is a much harsher assessment, with very, very few conditions exempting you from a WCA. So, I would expect the proportion of IB claimants being exempted to be tiny.



That is useful- thankyou. All the literature though on the web and elsewhere states the review is based on the claimants normal review date, who to believe eh?

I wish we could find out one way or another which is true, is it based on the claimants normal review date or are they just bringing everyone in when they feel like it.

No doubt it will be officially it's on the claimants normal review date, but really the government will make it whenever they feel like it.

Invalidation

Mordred12 wrote: »

I wish we could find out one way or another which is true, is it based on the claimants normal review date or are they just bringing everyone in when they feel like it.

No doubt it will be officially it's on the claimants normal review date, but really the government will make it whenever they feel like it.

Logically they should start with a clean sheet and do it alphabetically.
How can they do it on review dates when some of us have no review date and never have?

de1amo

Invalidation wrote: »

Logically they should start with a clean sheet and do it alphabetically.
How can they do it on review dates when some of us have no review date and never have?

i would guess if you havent got a review date they would see when you were last reviewed and add the standard period of your periodic reviews to that time- ie if your reviewed every 3 years and were last reviewed in say 2010 your next review will be 2013--i would expect when your reviewed they put an 'admin' date for next reassessment but just dont send it to you!
İf someone is assessed earlier it will be be interesting if people challenge reassessment based on the fact they have a letter stating the date of there next reviewal and want that adhered to--as they state on their website that is the process!