Fruadulent claim!!!

Marisco

To suggest that utilities will be cut off is, to put it bluntly, an exaggeration!!! My granddaughter phoned the other day (single mum) she started work on Monday, and got all the awards for WTC & CTC, but there was something she was unsure of, so she phoned me (god knows why I know less about benefits than her!!!:o) Anyway, the amounts that she was awarded staggered me!!!!!:eek: Bearing in mind it was on top of wages!!!!! If she'd have turned round to me and said she couldn't manage on it, I'd have wiped the floor with her!!!!

With all the benefits available these days, there is no need for anyone to get utilities cut off! A lot of the problems IMO, stem from the fact that PWC's expect to have the same standard of living as if they were still together, this will, of course be impossible, as the NRP has to live as well!!! How many men (and it's usually men) could afford to keep two houses going to the same standard as before, on the same income? Don't get me wrong, NPR's that don't pay anything are below contempt, but a spot of realism has to be accepted by all parties.

As for kids "spying" on anyone, be it PWC or NRP, is not on. Kids should be kept out of conflicts at all costs. The arguments are between the adults, and that is the way it should stay. As my oh and myself know first hand, with his PWC from hell! It's not pleasant for kids to see, and they shouldn't have to either!! If "investigations" need to be done, then either do it yourself or leave well alone!! But keep the kids out of it!

infant2801

Marisco wrote: »

To suggest that utilities will be cut off is, to put it bluntly, an exaggeration!!! My granddaughter phoned the other day (single mum) she started work on Monday, and got all the awards for WTC & CTC, but there was something she was unsure of, so she phoned me (god knows why I know less about benefits than her!!!:o) Anyway, the amounts that she was awarded staggered me!!!!!:eek: Bearing in mind it was on top of wages!!!!! If she'd have turned round to me and said she couldn't manage on it, I'd have wiped the floor with her!!!!

With all the benefits available these days, there is no need for anyone to get utilities cut off! A lot of the problems IMO, stem from the fact that PWC's expect to have the same standard of living as if they were still together, this will, of course be impossible, as the NRP has to live as well!!! How many men (and it's usually men) could afford to keep two houses going to the same standard as before, on the same income? Don't get me wrong, NPR's that don't pay anything are below contempt, but a spot of realism has to be accepted by all parties.

As for kids "spying" on anyone, be it PWC or NRP, is not on. Kids should be kept out of conflicts at all costs. The arguments are between the adults, and that is the way it should stay. As my oh and myself know first hand, with his PWC from hell! It's not pleasant for kids to see, and they shouldn't have to either!! If "investigations" need to be done, then either do it yourself or leave well alone!! But keep the kids out of it!

Please use your initiative to understand what Kellogs actually meant.

Maybe her and many other one parents' do not wish to be on benefits and looking for Uncle Dave Cameron to be the sugar daddy and pay the leccy.

The vibes/morals you give out to your daughter seem wrong.......is that why you became a grandmother complete with NRPP so early...
Maybe if you had

DX2

kelloggs36 wrote: »

how often does your dd go there? Get her to write a diary of who was there and stayed over when she visited - get pics from a mobile or something and pass it to the CSA.

I must say kelloggs I am really surprised by this post from you.

justaquickone

Yes quite DX2, and all for £5 a week more

DX2

kelloggs36 wrote: »

writing a diary is not an issue and can be very useful - I really don't see the problem with gathering evidence. I guess that is why I won my tribunal hearing and got my ex to pay, when he wanted to lie and cheat his way out of taking responsibility for a child whom we BOTH had responsibility for. My sense of justice was too strong.

Did you actually gather the evidence yourself, or did you expect your kids to do that for you?

Marisco

infant2801 wrote: »

Please use your initiative to understand what Kellogs actually meant.

Maybe her and many other one parents' do not wish to be on benefits and looking for Uncle Dave Cameron to be the sugar daddy and pay the leccy.

The vibes/morals you give out to your daughter seem wrong.......is that why you became a grandmother complete with NRPP so early...
Maybe if you had

Can I have the bit in bold, in English please????? As for benefits, that is what people are entitled to, so they should claim it! As for not wanting to claim, do they seriously expect the ex to pay all the bills etc for them, get CM AND pay his own bills as well???? That is exactly what my oh's ex expected, and got a ruddy shock when it wasn't forthcoming:D

DX2

Marisco wrote: »

Can I have the bit in bold, in English please?????

He will call you a racist for that remark.

kelloggs36

infant2801 wrote: »

Please use your initiative to understand what Kellogs actually meant. Thank you.

Maybe her and many other one parents' do not wish to be on benefits and looking for Uncle Dave Cameron to be the sugar daddy and pay the leccy. quite - I for one worked and never claimed benefits, and I had to fight and prove that my ex was lying in order to get what was just and fair. My child told me where he lived as he wouldn't tell me and yes, I used that to notify the CSA as he tried every trick in the book to avoid paying. Said child didn't tell her dad that she had told me as she felt it odd that he wanted to try and hide from me!

The vibes/morals you give out to your daughter seem wrong.......is that why you became a grandmother complete with NRPP so early...
Maybe if you had

Whilst in an ideal world it would be fantastic to keep the children out of conflicts, the real world is often very different. The NRP is being sneaky and lying and relies on nobody being able to prove different. IN cases where the NRP lies about their address and the children visiting them there, it is very easy to state that the children visit them there as evidence and it is usually accepted as such. To prove that they still live with their partner is also very simple, and doesn't need a lot of deep probing questions and can easily be proven by off the cuff questioning. Children usually have mobiles anyway, and take pics willy nilly so it wouldn't be necessarily odd for them to take any pics whilst in the care of the NRP and that is what I am talking about - not hiding and being sneaky about it. A diary only needs to state what they did and who they were with and lots of children do that already. I'm not talking about being undercover and doing anything that they don't do already - just using what they know as evidence which, in order to get what is just and fair, I feel is perfectly acceptable.

clearingout

I think the problem here is that we have assumed that the OP's ex has split up/is saying he's split up with the new partner simply because it will send him from CSA1 to CSA2. I think what Kellogs and others are getting at is potentially, if he hasn't split up and the OP is unable to prove it, her maintenance payments (whether they are CSA1 or CSA2) are halved UNFAIRLY. This is fraud. It is deliberately depriving a child. And ultimately, it could mean the difference between paying the bills and not paying the bills.

Marisco

It seems to me, the best thing to do to stop all the shenanigans is to put everyone on CSA 2. It's seems a much fairer system than CSA 1.