£8000 unexpected underpayment of tax due to a catalogue of errors with tax office and

payevictim

you have my sympathy mate, i have just had one for £7,300, mine was due to company cars over 3 years, alot of people on here have a really poor hard line attitude.

Unfortunately you and i will have to pay it back as "technically" we have done better in the past, morally however this stinks, in this day and age this should not be allowed to happen, especially to go un noticed for such a long time. a guy at my work got one for £30,000!!!!

his previous job never told HMRC about his company car and he got walloped for 4 years worth

jem16

payevictim wrote: »

you have my sympathy mate, i have just had one for £7,300, mine was due to company cars over 3 years, alot of people on here have a really poor hard line attitude.

It's not a hard line attitude - it's reality and taking responsibilty.

I cannot understand why someone would want to have deudctions coming off their salary every month and not be concerned whether they are right or wrong.

What if you had been put on a D0 code and paid everything at 40% with no personal allowances and massively overpaid tax? You would have been looking for your money back pretty sharpish!

payevictim

everything seemed correct! i rang hmrc who sent me a letter saying i underpaid in 07/08 so they adjusted my code going forward, i have always stayed in contact however they still messed it up.
it is a hard line attitude, think if it was you, would you be saying oh it doesnt matter here is 8k? no but as its not you affected its easy to be hard faced.

yes it needs paying back but people can be sympathetic, too many people on here like getting on their high horse

family_man

jem16 wrote: »

It's not a hard line attitude - it's reality and taking responsibilty.

I cannot understand why someone would want to have deudctions coming off their salary every month and not be concerned whether they are right or wrong.

What if you had been put on a D0 code and paid everything at 40% with no personal allowances and massively overpaid tax? You would have been looking for your money back pretty sharpish!

Why aren’t we all self employed then and why aren’t HR and payroll taking responsibility for their mess up. What is the point of having a HR and a payroll. It doesn’t say in my job description have a knowledge of what your tax codes and salary deductions are. I don’t have an accountant or I’m not just out of business school. I dont know your background but I bet if you went out in the street and asked 100 average working class people if they knew what their tax code was or how it works 99 would say no idea. I had no idea this was happening, and why would I after handing my P45 to a professional HR department feel the need to follow it up.

Sambucus_Nigra

What do your last 3 P60s say?

jem16

family_man wrote: »

It doesn’t say in my job description have a knowledge of what your tax codes and salary deductions are.

Doesn't say it in mine either. However I'd rather know where money I've earned disappears to.

I don’t have an accountant or I’m not just out of business school.

Neither do i and I'm long out of any school.

why would I after handing my P45 to a professional HR department feel the need to follow it up.

So if you stuck money into your bank account would you check it got there or would you just assume the bank was a professional body and couldn't possibly lose it?

jem16

payevictim wrote: »

think if it was you, would you be saying oh it doesnt matter here is 8k? no but as its not you affected its easy to be hard faced.

No it's not me affected but that's because I have kept an eye on my tax codes.

yes it needs paying back but people can be sympathetic, too many people on here like getting on their high horse

I would be more sympathetic if people actually accepted that they hadn't kept an eye on things and admitted it was as much their fault as anybody else's.

I'm sorry it has happened but you need to at least learn the very basics of tax and at least know if your tax code is right or wrong.

patanne

I can't see above where anyone has suggested that you check their sums. It is not unheard of for them to make mistakes. There are people who post on here who will check out the figures for you and make sure that they aren't trying to get too much as an underpayment.

Sambucus_Nigra

patanne wrote: »

I can't see above where anyone has suggested that you check their sums. It is not unheard of for them to make mistakes. There are people who post on here who will check out the figures for you and make sure that they aren't trying to get too much as an underpayment.

Apart from asking what the P60s say, of course.....

chrismac1

I support the last two posts entirely. HMRC make no end of errors, many of them really silly ones. A big part of the problem is a cultural bais towards not doing anything - i.e. you call with a simple request such as adding a postcode to an address on the database, and instead of "Yes as soon as we check the postcode matches the address we'll sort that" you get "The taxpayer must call us herself even though we appreciate she is in her 60s, has serious health problems and has trouble conducting a proper conversation with anyone normal never mind an HMRC jobsworth." So the first step is to post up the calculations and see if there are any howlers.

if I posted up all the HMRC howlers in my client base I would still be posting tomorrow morning. One involving PAYE was a £2,400 bill across 08/09 and 09/10 which should in fact be around £250 - the £1,400 bill for 08/09 simply missed out £1150 of PAYE tax paid. The entire bill for 09/10 consisted of a line called "adjustment" which on closer examination was simply a repeat of part of the error made in 08/09. So in this case not only had they blundered on 08/9, they'd then doubled up on part of the blunder on 09/10!

Any accountant doing this sort of thing with such regularity as HMRC do would be out of business in no time.