Fine for stopping in a loading bay

Sirdan

Neil_B wrote: »

That first sentence is written in a particular order and bracketed for a reason.

Your conclusion that boarding/alighting is not allowed where there are loading restrictions - is wrong.

On how long you may wait - as is necessary for a passenger to safely board or alight. Again will be argued by Councils and ultimately up to an adjudicator - but examples -

leaving vehicle to assist passenger who needs assistance in any way = ok --- in reasonable time it takes according to circumstance.

leaving vehicle to ensure vulnerable passenger secure at destination - same.

waiting in vehicle for someone who has phoned to say ''on my way in 2 minutes'' -- NO.

Agreed thanks ..I misread it did not take account of the bracketing properly .
So as you say you can drop off / pick up even in a place where loading / unloading is restricted.

Neil_B

MrChips wrote: »

I meant "stopping" in terms of the highway code definition, i.e. there is a difference between a sign saying "no waiting" and "no stopping".

If the sign says no waiting, I can stop there to load and unload passengers and goods (in general, unless there is some sort of additional restriction). However if there is a no stopping sign I can't even do this.

I guess my success in appealing the original ticket is to check if there is a prohibition of stopping (as opposed to waiting/parking) in that loading bay as my deemed offence has been to "park in a parking place or area not designated for that class of vehicle", and if so then to convince them that I was in the act of picking up a passenger - shouldn't be too hard as they have a video of the event I understand and one of their pictures even shows my wife getting into the car. Hopefully two minutes is not deemed excessive time for her to cross the busy road and get into my car. Either that or convince them my little Fiat is a goods vehicle!

I assume the fact I was only 5 minutes from the end of the prescribed hours (it was 6.25pm and the restrictions ceased at 6.30pm won't cut any ice!).

There cannot possibly be a restriction on stopping - think about it - something has to stop there!! LOL.
You do need to get the TMO for the location and check exactly how the restrictions and the exemptions are defined.

MrChips

Just reporting back to say that Enfield Council backed down and cancelled the penalty.

Good news

More details via this thread if curious:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=60234&st=0

trisontana

Congratulations. This once again points up the difference between what you can expect when you appeal to a council as opposed to a PPC. I bet the latter would not have been so sympathetic.

asbokid

trisontana wrote: »

Congratulations. This once again points up the difference between what you can expect when you appeal to a council as opposed to a PPC. I bet the latter would not have been so sympathetic.

No doubt the Council Officer was interested in the wife's perineum (and photos can often help) but this wasn't about sympathy.

The Council had no choice but to cancel the PCN since the TMO for the loading bay was not valid.