i dont know what to do! Please help if you can!

my_gorgeous_ellie-belle

Ok i really am in a bit of bother here:

Basically i have applied for a passport for my daughter who was born in May this year but it has been refused until i can get her grandparents details (passport numbers, marriage dates, full names and addresses) This would be ok if i knew who they were. I know my dad but not my mum - my dad has details that may help me trace her but is refusing to help. To be honest i do not really want to trace her just for the sake of a passport if i am not mentally ready to have anything to do with her yet (she left when i was a baby).

I dont have any family to go to as they have all cut me off due to the fact i dont want to speak to my father anymore (he is violent, a drunk, and a male shovenistic pig and they saw us suffer and did nothing (family? i think not) - hence why my mum and my brothers mum prob left him when we were under 2).

I was brought up in foster care but they did more harm than good - i have been leading a great life since i cut them out of it at 16 (including my dad). (to be honest they took just under 2 years to sort my passport when i was 13).

We know of El's grandparents details on her daddys side - even though his mum is in Jamaica still so will be very hard to get hold of - but not impossible.

I just dont understand why they are needing so many details if me and her dad are both full British citizens with full british passports?!?!?

we really want to take her to China for her first birthday - it is where my brother has set up his life and we are very close. As soon as i announced to him that i was pregnant he booked a month to come back home to England so he could see his neice and me, his little sister. Bless her, she was born smack bang in the middle of his month over - perfect timing!

Ok i have gone a bit off track here - i really need to sort her out a passport - does anybody have any ideas of help? Or why this is the case?

Tran

curious

I always thought that if both parents were British Citizens AND had the right to live in the UK unrestricted and then had a child born in the UK - then i thought i UK passport for the child was no problem.

Do both parents (you & OH) has unrestricted right to live in UK? Were both you & OH actually born in the UK or have either of you acquired british nationality?

Is it because in some cases you can claim british citizenship through your grandparents? (but why would this apply to you?)

I'd be curious as to know why they want these details.

rjm2k1

Have you explained the situation to them, there will always be exceptions to the rule and they will always have to deal with them.

arnie&caseysma!

I have never heard of them wanting the grandparents details before. What reason have they given for needing them?

my_gorgeous_ellie-belle

Yep - have explained and the guy even got his manager for me to speak to but no luck. Aparently it is because we are both born just after 1982 - someting to do with citizenship changes around then or something.

The guy i spoke to was really appologetic and said he is afraid that as passports are so strictly sorted he would not be able to help without those details.
I am just so confused at why we need to prove about our grandparents when we are both British passport holders - i have searched info on the web and it confirms that grandparent details are needed but there is no advice about if you have no knowledge of them.

my_gorgeous_ellie-belle

Her dad was born in Jamaica (gained British nationality and unristricted right at 5) but aparently this has nothing to do with it. It is purely to do with the fact we were born after 1982.

arnie&caseysma!

I am still finding it very strange. I would have thought that it would have been ok when you already have them and even if you managed to find supplementary details etc for them.

Can I make a couple of suggestions. Can you try and trace these details through Registry offices etc? Do you have your own birth certificate with your mums name on or if not even the one without her name? That way you should be able to go back to where your birth was registered and get details of your mum from records, and then keep digging until you find out her parents without actually getting in contact.
It might be a long shot but will certainly be worth a try. Good luck.

my_gorgeous_ellie-belle

I still dont understand it either but CAB confirmed it too - and the woman talked to me like a peice of dirt that i actually cried a bit after the call. Prob because i am young, (i was working full time with my own home, long term relationship ect) with a baby and from foster home - i dont think 21 is too young and i was only ever in one very nice foster home from 14-16 - people always look down on you without thinking.

Sorry for the rant but i think i need toget some of this out of my system as it is bringing up a lot of my past that i have previously tried to put behind me.

I will definately try to get myself a copy of my birth certificate as my dad still has mine and would never give it to me - i know it doesnt have her name as now as apparently she has remarried and was using my fathers surname at the time even though they werent married. Lots of complications!

I have also tried to contact socail services but they never get back to me - i dont really want to write to them unless absolutely nessecary as i dont want them to trace me as they are supposed to be following my proggress until i am 23. But i know that if it comes to it my daughters passport is far more important.

Thank you so much for your advice - anything further you can suggest would be great as i am willing to try all avenues here.

flossy_splodge

Forgive me but I think you may have put your finger on it. We have much more joined up government now than many people realise and if you are "in the system" then although they wont nexcessarily tell you that is the reason it sounds like there is a need for you to accept contacting Social Services. I am surprised if they do in fact have a requirement to "monitor" you til you are 23 as the age of majority is after all 18. Unless you have been in a spot of bother in the past with Police? That also would account for it. Go to a solicitor and ask for a free first 20 minute appointment and ask advice but you will need to be absolutely honest and upfront about ALL your circumstances if they are to help you.

pavlovs_dog

i had problems applying for my first adult passport.

given my age, it would be my very first passport. when i travelled as a child, i would have been valid on my mum's passport (they were the days! :rolleyes: )

when it came for me to apply, i was permanently estranged from my mum, and had had no contact with my father since i was 5 yrs old. i had no means of providing all the passport numbers etc they asked for.

i sent my form off, and predictably they sent it back requesting more info. so i sent them a very long covering letter detailing the family situation, giving as much info about my parents as i could (eg names, DoB, last known addresses etc. my passport arrived 3 weeks later :beer:

my_gorgeous_ellie-belle

I have never ever been in trouble in all my life! Social services kept contacting me at my last 2 addressess which i classed as harrassment and i wanted nothing to do with them. I will have to contact them and if they start hasselling me again i will go to a solicitor and try for a court case against them.

I have the mind to set up a case for neglegence and sue them as they knew and left me in a situation (which they had put me in) where i was similarly treated like that young girl Victoria who ended up dieing sadly. I think for this reason you can appreciate why i want absolutely no contact with them.

Wow, it is all coming out now - i do appologise for going into detail - i think i am finding that i feel like i might burst if i dont tell someone. I have lots of evidence but dont know where to start. well that is another story.

I will get to writing to the passport office near Victoria in London and see what they say - i am also tempted to take a trip there and see if i can speak to someone face to face - what do you reckon - or do you think it will be a waste of time. I am willing to pay for the fastrack service, that is not a problem, and obviously i will take all of the other documents i have for the application.