motability car verus bus pass

STOCKWIRE

Lou76 wrote: »

Neither do people who opt for a mobility car either, they relinquish their HRM payments (about £50 a week?) in return for their "free" car.

£7800 for the lease of a "free" car, for 3 years, seems a bit expensive to me. :eek:

You work for this £50. ?

jetta_wales

STOCKWIRE wrote: »

You work for this £50. ?

We don't work for child benefit either but it's still our money.

Richie-from-the-Boro

Lou76 wrote: »

Neither do people who opt for a mobility car either, they relinquish their HRM payments (about £50 a week?) in return for their "free" car.

£7800 for the lease of a "free" car, for 3 years, seems a bit expensive to me. :eek:

Tell me where I can get free car / free car tax / free repairs / free tyres / free disabled bays / free crossing toll bridges / free congestion charging / free parking meters for fifty pounds a week.

And £7800 for the lease of a "free" car, for 3 years, is certainly not expensive for you, it's expensive for the general taxpayers who coincidently pay the £2600 par year plus about £200 a year for the tax disk if you opt-out of motability.

Motability or opt-out the Blue Badge that usually is available is also paid for by the general taxpayer, currently at £46 million a year.

The Concessionary Travel Scheme 2011 [ Bus Passes and Railcards ] also costs local taxpayers £illions, figures not out yet, but universal cuts from all authorities are predicted.

Richie-from-the-Boro

jetta_wales wrote: »

We don't work for child benefit either but it's still our money.

We are all universally entitled to child benefit. We are all certainly not universally entitled to a free car.

And its not your money it's the child's money

jetta_wales

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

We are all universally entitled to child benefit. We are all certainly not universally entitled to a free car.

And its not your money it's the child's money

No it is very much my money as my children are mine too, children do not pay their living costs their parents do.

We get a free dissability with our free DLA money too, lucky us!

Richie-from-the-Boro

jetta_wales wrote: »

No it is very much my money as my children are mine too, children do not pay their living costs their parents do.

We get a free disability with our free DLA money too, lucky us!

Do you have a remark on the universality you denied ? Do you know we even pay for example for 29,000 children living in Poland / 2,051 children in Slovakia / 1,012 in Lithuania / etc

daska

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

Tell me where I can get free car / free car tax / free repairs / free tyres / free disabled bays / free crossing toll bridges / free congestion charging / free parking meters for fifty pounds a week.

And £7800 for the lease of a "free" car, for 3 years, is certainly not expensive for you, it's expensive for the general taxpayers who coincidently pay the £2600 par year plus about £200 a year for the tax disk if you opt-out of motability.

Motability or opt-out the Blue Badge that usually is available is also paid for by the general taxpayer, currently at £46 million a year.

The Concessionary Travel Scheme 2011 [ Bus Passes and Railcards ] also costs local taxpayers £illions, figures not out yet, but universal cuts from all authorities are predicted.

Can you quote comparable figures for the cost of providing equivalent under dial-a-ride, community transport etc for all disabled people if motability is abolished? Or what about those things that can't be ascribed a financial cost such as independence, integration etc. for members of society that can't achieve those things without support? What about the additional costs of depressive illnesses, suicide etc that result from long term disability and being housebound?

You make it sound as if it's just about the money rather than about quality of life. Even in a recession able bodied people can walk to the shop, the GP, the hospital or even just for the sheer joy of it if they so choose. Spare some consideration for those who can't.

Buffer

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

Tell me where I can get free car / free car tax / free repairs / free tyres / free disabled bays / free crossing toll bridges / free congestion charging / free parking meters for fifty pounds a week.

And £7800 for the lease of a "free" car, for 3 years, is certainly not expensive for you, it's expensive for the general taxpayers who coincidently pay the £2600 par year plus about £200 a year for the tax disk if you opt-out of motability.

Motability or opt-out the Blue Badge that usually is available is also paid for by the general taxpayer, currently at £46 million a year.

The Concessionary Travel Scheme 2011 [ Bus Passes and Railcards ] also costs local taxpayers £illions, figures not out yet, but universal cuts from all authorities are predicted.

Dear Richie from Boro,

You seem to have a problem with the Motability Scheme. To tell the truth I have a problem with it as well.

My problem though, is that I have to use the scheme to get an adapted car and pay nigh on £60 per week of MY War Pension (yes my pension) for the privilidge.

I'll tell you what though, if you let me have your left leg (above knee), half of your right foot, six fingers, left ear and 65% of your skin, I'll happily let you have the car.

For those are the injuries I sustained in Bomb Alley aka Falklands Sound back in 1982 whilst onbard Ardent. Oh, thats not forgetting the permanent lung damage and psychological injury knowing that I am lucky as I came out alive, 22 of my shipmates were not so lucky.

As your name suggests you are from Middlesbrough, why not pop over to Catterick and see some of the lads there who are back from Afghanistan via a hospital in Birmingham and Headley Court. Look them in the eye and tell them their adapted Motability cars are free for them and that you think they are not worthy of having one.

Somehow I think YOU will need a Motability car shortly afterwards.

Buffer

Richie-from-the-Boro

Buffer wrote: »

Dear Richie from Boro,

You seem to have a problem with the Motability Scheme. To tell the truth I have a problem with it as well.

My problem though, is that I have to use the scheme to get an adapted car and pay nigh on £60 per week of MY War Pension (yes my pension) for the privilidge.

I'll tell you what though, if you let me have your left leg (above knee), half of your right foot, six fingers, left ear and 65% of your skin, I'll happily let you have the car.

For those are the injuries I sustained in Bomb Alley aka Falklands Sound back in 1982 whilst onbard Ardent. Oh, thats not forgetting the permanent lung damage and psychological injury knowing that I am lucky as I came out alive, 22 of my shipmates were not so lucky.

As your name suggests you are from Middlesbrough, why not pop over to Catterick and see some of the lads there who are back from Afghanistan via a hospital in Birmingham and Headley Court. Look them in the eye and tell them their adapted Motability cars are free for them and that you think they are not worthy of having one.

Somehow I think YOU will need a Motability car shortly afterwards.

Buffer

I'm ex para's - don't lecture me save it for those who never served. This group is full of the same whiners that sent you and I abroad to be blown up. But they want everything for nowt. Their opinions seem to be based not on need, really need a service, but on what can be manipulated to get something for nowt even if they will never make use of the service.

- I don't have a problem with motability cars / blue badges & associated benefits, or indeed any benefits for the disabled

- no one here knows anything about me, or my disabilities, I may well have some or all of those benefits being discussed here

- I do have a problem with ungrateful moaners who grab all the benefits going including duplicate services, it's greed

- one person here with Blue Badge & free car wants a bus pass too, once the newness has worn off they will never use it more than twice a year

- disabled people of the UK should fight with polite determination for everything that they need but the degree of reprehensible greed in these groups is disgusting

As a total aside I think any ex regular / includes the TA who serve in theatre should be fast tracked with a much lower quality of evidence, than for example any other member of the UK society. If I'd been asked that a couple of months ago I might have been said no it should be equal rights .. .. .. after reading these groups for a month or so I think the general public should be a very long way behind the armed forces in the freebies stakes !

daska

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

As a total aside I think any ex regular / includes the TA who serve in theatre should be fast tracked with a much lower quality of evidence, than for example any other member of the UK society. If I'd been asked that a couple of months ago I might have been said no it should be equal rights .. .. .. after reading these groups for a month or so I think the general public should be a very long way behind the armed forces in the freebies stakes !

I agree that being disabled as a result of putting yourself in harm's way for the benefit of your country should, as a matter of principle, result in you're receiving first class care, rehabilitation and support for as long as needed. As to a lower quality of evidence I'm not so sure, you exercised your free will as a able bodied person and you accepted the risk that came with that choice - something which a lot of (not all) disabled people didn't get the chance to do. And being ex-services doesn't preclude moaning or greed or any other less pleasant characteristic any more than a stint at ballet school. One of the rudest people I've spoken with in the last week was a Major - I was exceedingly rude back and it seems we're now buddies for life :rotfl:.