I have a vacancy but no one wants to work!

Oldernotwiser

In case the OP isn't genuine (I haven't come across him before), he might need to ensure that the position he's offering complies with the official rules around apprenticeships. You can't take on a young person and pay them £2.50 per hour just by calling them an apprentice.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/EducationAndLearning/14To19/OptionsAt16/DG_4001327

Rockporkchop

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Thanks for the correction, which I appreciate.

However, it's still wrong to say that the only way to do a genuine catering apprenticeship is with a top London restaurant. (I know that it wasn't you who said this.)

Sorry but I just didn't want the OP to be flooded with applications from people thinking they would end up like Jamie Oliver!

I agree that an apprenticeship doesn't have to be at a top London restaurant, but I don't think a pub in the sticks, probably with only one chef working there is a suitable place for an apprenticeship. The OP should call it a trainee position and pay minimum wage at least.

bluenoseam

Truth is a pub in the sticks isn't going to be as busy as finding a placement in a cafe in a town/city - meaning say 3-4 years down the line your "apprentice" fancies bettering their situation, goes to apply for a job in say a school canteen, not only do they not have a relevant qualification (professionally gained at college/uni) but their experience is less than someone who's done the same amount of time working in Cafe Asda in town. I know that for my local Asda's cafe they were looking for people with food safety certificates and ideally a qualification in hospitality - can you provide this?

The point i'm trying to make is that yeah, you might think "hey, i'm offering a good deal here, get experience, get some money, win win" when it's ultimately not going to be the same as biting the bullet & going on a certified course, which will allow proper career progression to the stage where, if they work hard enough, they too can earn a reputation as a top chef - professional kitchens won't just look for the certificates, they'll demand them!

hayton2k3

Person_one wrote: »

What qualification will the apprentice gain?

sore feet from walking since that pittiful wage won't buy a car or insurance

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

What skills does a school leaver have to make him or her worth more than £2.50 per hour?

Having said that, I would expect the young person to be working towards a recognised qualification, preferably with college attendance, for it to be called an apprenticeship.

Probably more skills than the majority of the so called Adults of this Shameful country, Yet they are paid a half decent minimum wage.

Stop thinking you are better and worth more than a school leaver. It is people like you who force people in to apprentiships and in to unemployment basically saying they are worth less then other people.
I hope you have kids, Looks like they will go a long way having a miserable toad as a parent telling them they are worth less than £2.51p

Russe11

Quenastoise wrote: »

c) with higher education being priced out of most people's budget (£9,000 tuition fees, anyone ?), we need to rethink vocational qualifcations as an alternative.

no one is priced out, the fees are loaned to anyone(if they choose to borrow) who gets a entry on a course. As well as living costs.

Evie1965

[if it wisnae for your wellies]:beer:

obviously shipshape..u cant have a 17 year old daughter...as most mothers and fathers would not allow any 17 yr old to be cycling however many miles it may be ...in the pitch black, as it is unlikely that these roads to this pub will have any street lights, millions of potholes, and its fair share of young teenage joyriders scooting around the b-roads with no police for miles around...and for what ?? a measly £2.50 an hour

getmore4less

Where is the OP ?

Oldernotwiser

hayton2k3 wrote: »

sore feet from walking since that pittiful wage won't buy a car or insurance



Probably more skills than the majority of the so called Adults of this Shameful country, Yet they are paid a half decent minimum wage.

Stop thinking you are better and worth more than a school leaver. It is people like you who force people in to apprentiships and in to unemployment basically saying they are worth less then other people.
I hope you have kids, Looks like they will go a long way having a miserable toad as a parent telling them they are worth less than £2.51p

I don't know where that comment came from but perhaps youth unemployment would not be so staggeringly high if young people and their parents didn't think that they should be paid enormous amounts of money for few or no skills. As for "forcing" young people into apprenticeships - you must be joking! Apprenticeships are like gold dust in many areas and young people who get them are very fortunate.

How do you think the youth unemployment figures would be improved by making employers pay a similar rate to that paid to experienced adults? Quite the opposite, you'd find.

dickydonkin

bristol_pilot wrote: »

Working in a pub kitchen is not a trade, anyone can do it. Proper chefs serve genuine apprenticeships in professional kitchens in London hotels and upmarket restaurants under the auspices of a head chef with a national or international reputation. Dishing out formula curry or microwave meals is not in the same league and not a 'skill' worth slaving away at £2 per hour to obtain.

I agree.

It sounds as if the advertised position is for a Kitchen Porter - not an 'Apprentice Chef'.

Advertise for a Kitchen Porter (which will certainly attract applicants over 21) would require the employer to pay full NMW of £5.93 PH.

Advertise for an 'Apprentice Chef' which by virtue of the job title is hoped to attract 'younger' applicants who can be paid a pittance.

Or is this me just being cynical?

getmore4less wrote: »

Where is the OP ?

The OP is indeed conspicuous by her absence!

property.advert

getmore4less wrote: »

Where is the OP ?

AWOL

There is no reason to only pay £2.50 an hour. They could pay them £100 an hour but they cannot pay less than £2.50 per hour. Driving everything to the lowest common denominator is pointless.

I would look for someone who could live in, thus saving them rent and travelling expenses and thus making the whole package a good deal better. College one day a week or more and not exploited would be other benefits.