Getting off the oil hook

Mankysteve

stoozey wrote: »

Give you just one example of the hoax that is global warming. If the entire icecap meltedcthe ocean level would DROP. Ice displaces water, it's how pipes burst etc.

Ice just so happens to full of air which makes it lighter than water. so it does something magical called floating. Which is why you can pilot a sub under the north pole.

So when it melt there a huge mass of water above the surface the water. Coupled the south pole being on top of load of rock not water. So when that melts it water will flow back into the sea and raise see levels. Then there are the Glaciers again on rock not water.

It proven that Co2 and methane are greenhouses gasses and we are realising them into the atmosphere at an astounding rate.

I don't need a climatologist to tell me that's not a good thing.

Coupled with living on fossil fuels makes us hostages to other nations, this is just as a important reason from getting away from fossil fuels as any.

It's plain to see that renewable and to some extent nuclear is the way to go.

I think the best way of looking at agrument is to take a look at who's got the most to loose. A few hippies and most climatologies who claim it's our fault or a few climatogies who usally turn out have strong link to the petroleum industry. The group with the most to loose is the one who's usually lieing.

COOLTRIKERCHICK

so we better kill and make cow extinct then, as they 'blow off' methane quite a bit...

dont put another burger on the barbie....you are causing global warming!!!!!

If we are going through the start of global 'warming' why did we have one of the harshest winters in a very long time?

A the op mentioned... we are only going to cut back on oil/fuel etc because of the price, not because of global warming...

PeterZ_2

COOLTRIKERCHICK wrote: »

If we are going through the start of global 'warming' why did we have one of the harshest winters in a very long time?

If we are not going through the start of global warming, then why have we have just had an exceptionally hot and dry period for April?

You have confused weather with climate.

A hot summer or a cold winter does not prove it either way.

PeterZ_2

stoozey wrote: »

Give you just one example of the hoax that is global warming. If the entire icecap meltedcthe ocean level would DROP. Ice displaces water, it's how pipes burst etc.

As others have said, plenty of the ice and glaciers sit on top of land.

If melting ice didn't effect sea levels then the Uk would still be connected to europe!

tbourner

You're getting climate change and global warming mixed up. Global warming is a natural process that occurs over millenia, it may or may not be exacerbated by humans producing pollutants. More importantly, we ARE affecting the environment enough to bring about climate change, this is different and relates to local weather patterns being affected. The melting of the ice caps is a major factor since it will reduce and eventually stop thermohaline circulation which requires a certain salinity to work, for us in Europe this means the Gulf stream will no longer bring warm air and water from the tropics, so our winters will get colder and generally 'worse', whereas our summers are likely to get hotter due to depleting layers of protective gasses in the atmosphere. Canada will probably be better off with warmer average temperatures giving better crop cycles. Mountainous areas will find they will run out of fresh water faster as snow caps on high land gradually decrease each year. Everyone will experience more 'bad' weather such as floods, hailstorms, hurricanes etc.
I could go on, basically it IS happening, you're fooling yourself if you think it's a myth.

grahamc2003

Mankysteve wrote: »

Ice just so happens to full of air which makes it lighter than water. so it does something magical called floating. Which is why you can pilot a sub under the north pole.

So when it melt there a huge mass of water above the surface the water. Coupled the south pole being on top of load of rock not water. So when that melts it water will flow back into the sea and raise see levels. Then there are the Glaciers again on rock not water.

It proven that Co2 and methane are greenhouses gasses and we are realising them into the atmosphere at an astounding rate.

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Ah I see. Ice is less dense than liquid water because it's full of air? Well I remembr my O level physics and the anamolous expansion of water, where water behaves diferently from almost all other liquids, and hasit's least density around 4 degrees. So coolinbg it from there makes it expand, not contract. It is nothing to do with air in it at all. Just so happens that the anaomolous expansion allowed life on earth, by forming ie on the top of water in lakes, and not on the bottom up.

co2 and methane are defined to be 'greenhouse' gases, not proven at all. Any gas will alter the eletromagnetic spectrum of sunlight as it passes through it - you could easily define every gas as a 'greenhouse' gas, since nothing it totally transparent. The effect of co2 on the sun's radiation is pretty well miniscule compared to the effect of water in the air - you can easily feel the effect of water on a hot day when a cloud passes between you and the sun, or the drop in temperature on a clear night - the effect is very dramatic. Hence the unproven but assumed link between the effect of co2 causing an amplification by increasing water in the air which does have a large effect. But those links are just theories, but you wouldn't think so reading the (non-scientific) press.

Mankysteve

COOLTRIKERCHICK wrote: »

so we better kill and make cow extinct then, as they 'blow off' methane quite a bit...
dont put another burger on the barbie....you are causing global warming!!!!!

If we are going through the start of global 'warming' why did we have one of the harshest winters in a very long time?

A the op mentioned... we are only going to cut back on oil/fuel etc because of the price, not because of global warmin...

Yes we do.need less meat espically red meats. Venice great green meat and so is kangro. yes we had harsh winter bur also overall it was the hottest year on recor, your confuseing climate with weather.

Climate models now a days are incredible accerate they exactly what the they can predict long climate behaviour models with ease they still struggle on the weather front. They know exactly what the effect of methane and carbon dioxide is. The a huge body of evidence that climate change is occuring and that we are the cuase.

Problem is that there are extremly well paid proganda groups who say it isn't its well documented that the big oil firms use the same people who truest to claim that smoking didn't cuase cancer and the same lawyers who worked.against tighten tobacco controls. A lots of lanes people hallen for it hook line and sinker.

zeupater

Mankysteve wrote: »

..... Climate models now a days are incredible accerate they exactly what the they can predict long climate behaviour models with ease they still struggle on the weather front. They know exactly what the effect of methane and carbon dioxide is. The a huge body of evidence that climate change is occuring and that we are the cuase .....

Hi

I can't really see how anyone could seriously post the above. I know the difference between weather & climate and I also know that some always try to portray that they are in no way linked when relating to global warming, but climate is just a view of long term weather over a period of time.

Climate models are built from historical data & can only be described as being accurate when relating to historical conditions. Introduce anything different to the model and any predictions need a widening of the tolerance band of the model results.

Developing countries have been pumping CO2 into the atmosphere at a rate of increase which is without historical parallel and the effect of this on global weather/temperatures is not in line with climate models, causing many heads to be scratched, yet the predictions from the models are still claimed to be accurate ..... the long term weather patterns over the past decade are well outside the tolerance band of where they should be, yet the models are still accurate within a decimal point of a percent over a decade .... :rotfl:.....

Four days ago the weather forecasting model said that today was going to be sunny all day, the same three days ago, the same two days ago ... but all changed yesterday and they were still about 2 hours out predicting sunshine, no wonder the Met-Office stopped publishing long-term weather forecasts ..... so much for their weather models, so why should their climate models be any different ?

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stoozey

Mankysteve wrote: »

Climate models now a days are incredible accerate they exactly what the they can predict long climate behaviour models with ease they still struggle on the weather front. They know exactly what the effect of methane and carbon dioxide is. The a huge body of evidence that climate change is occuring and that we are the cuase.

hahahahhahahhaaahahhahaha :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Met office cant even predict if its going to rain tomorrow let alone in a 1000 years. I think you have been breating in too much gas :T

tbourner

Weather patterns are extremely difficult to predict. Climate patterns are much easier.