Getting off the oil hook

stoozey

COOLTRIKERCHICK wrote: »

stoozey wrote: »

well I'm sold on ditching oil. Purely because it costs a bloody fortune nothing else!

Will be ordering a Nissan Leaf next year and doing full electric. Solar on the roof, max insulation, low energy lights etc.

The subsudies for the Leaf are quite amazing, especially if your a company car driver. Zero benefit in kind! Zero private mileage costs. That right there will save many people thousands a year before taking into account you wont be buying fuel again at 70+ quid a fill up. The issue at the moment is the lack of public charging points, the 3-phase points charge to full in 20 mins just need a lot more of them. I can see car parks being fitted out with them as they are easy income. Cost of elec to fill up less than £1 bet they charge a fiver though![/QUO

now this is where i am confused????

how can they been green cars....???? they run on electric, but how do you think the electric is produced?

also the money you have spent on this car, surely it is more benificial for the enviroment to make use of what secondhand cars are allready out there, rather than buying a new one, which will have a huge carbon footprint by just being made....

I totally agree with this thread, about how me are soooooooooo used to oil, and we dont realise how dependant we are on it,

I dont think it will be long before someone will start using horse and cart again....there used to be a girl who used to go round the area selling fruit and veg from an horse and cart.....but sadly people didnt support her

I don't believe in 'green' I'm afraid. If you do then I expect your an advocate of more nuclear power stations as they have zero emissions. Put them all in scotland I say with bloody long cables!

I do believe in keeping as much of my hard earned as possible though hence the need to reduce oil consumption as its extortionate!

COOLTRIKERCHICK

stoozey wrote: »

COOLTRIKERCHICK wrote: »

I don't believe in 'green' I'm afraid. If you do then I expect your an advocate of more nuclear power stations as they have zero emissions. Put them all in scotland I say with bloody long cables!

I do believe in keeping as much of my hard earned as possible though hence the need to reduce oil consumption as its extortionate!

sorry i thought you were looking at the 'green' side of things

I totally agree about the oil consumption..

I have a v8 petrol range rover:cool::D... and yes its a very heavy on fuel, but i am still not going to sell it to get a small car that does 50+ miles to the gallon... i had a look at the fiat 500, and the cost of buying one, compared the saving in fuel cost didnt add up for me, i might as well run my range rover until it keels over, and then look at buying a good fuel consumption car..

this last winter our ranger rovers really came into their own, with the weather we had ( we also have a desiel one)

I believe in getting the max out of products, and not renewing things just because its out of fashion/trend or because it looks slightly worn out ( abit like me...lol..)


I have had a look on the british nissan leaf promo site, and in all honestly from a fiancial point of view, if you bought that car new ( as a private person) how long would it take for the actual saving on fuel costs kick in for you to be financially better off? hope that made sense...

stoozey

agree with purchasing one not making sense. Lots of better ways to tie up the best part of £30k capital. Will be leasing it.

antrobus

CLAPTON wrote: »

Chris Huhne

is that the one with six houses?

the one that used to travel to the European Parliament on a regular basis?

the one that loves skiing and travel?

flies all over the world on 'environmental business (Cancun etc)

he won't be affected by rise in price of fuel or food.

when just one of thes people actually starts to live the low carbon foorprint lifestyle then maybe some progress may be made.

Yes it would. The very same Chris Huhne who once launched his campaign for the leadership of the Liberal Democrats by saying that his ""position could be summed up in nine words" ....."A fairer and greener society where we put people in charge".

Arithmetic clearly isn't his strong point for one, and for another; where in the world is there an example of a 'society' where there aren't any 'people in charge'? Is there are a race of intelligent spiders somewhere that have escaped our attention?

smartn

stoozey wrote: »

agree with purchasing one not making sense. Lots of better ways to tie up the best part of £30k capital. Will be leasing it.

Having looked at the cost of leasing one (approx 500 per month + VAT) you'd need to do a lot of mileage to justify the extra cost over say a lease Nissan Qashqai 1.6 etc....

ceridwen

Poosmate wrote: »

On the "Push Come To Shove" thread there is a link to some guy in London (I believe) who has a small back yard but still manages to grow plenty of his own grub and reckons he saves around £700 per year. I think his blog is called something like "Vertical Growing" - sorry don't have a link to that one.



Poo

Here it is:

www.verticalveg.org.uk/

Very inspiring I think - particularly in view of the fact that books for those with small gardens are indeed talking about small ones - BUT a huge number of British people dont even have small gardens. Instead they have "matchbox" size gardens or patios or roof gardens - anyway - even smaller than a "small" garden. Very few of us have normal size gardens and even fewer have large ones:(.

There is a trend starting now for some garden book authors to be writing books for those with balconies or roof gardens - and these books also give pointers for those with "matchbox" gardens. Hopes no developers are reading this (dont want to encourage them in their belief that a "matchbox" size garden is adequate.....) - and apologies to everyone else for using a swear word...ie the "d********s" word:cool:

stoozey

smartn wrote: »

Having looked at the cost of leasing one (approx 500 per month + VAT) you'd need to do a lot of mileage to justify the extra cost over say a lease Nissan Qashqai 1.6 etc....

You can get much better than that £379+vat for example but they will get much cheaper still as the manufacture more. I expect them to be on par with the A3 / Mondeo / Golf etc.

I would be happy with £350+vat which would make it free really due to zero BIK and fuel costs. I would get one this year if it want so expensive to get out of my existing lease.

nzmegs

I am amazed that no-one has suggested that obvious here. Just avoid using your car! Many people are so tied to their car that they refuse to see that there are so many other options. I do not drive. My husband does and so we do drive on weekends only. I walk anywhere I need to go which is within 2 or 3 miles and I catch the bus if the journey is longer. Otherwise I simply wait until the weekend and combine our trips.

I believe that having a car can make people lazy and it prevents people from considering other options. Buses are often less stressful than being in a car and you have the opportunity to relax while someone else does the hard work. I know people who say they have never used public transport since they got heir license and they absolutely refuse to do so. Yet they complain bitterly about how much their petrol is costing them.

if you could have two or three car free days a week you are likely to make a significant saving. Bus prices are very reasonable if you buy weekly or monthly tickets.

Harry_Flashman

antrobus wrote: »

Is there are a race of intelligent spiders somewhere that have escaped our attention?

not particularly intelligent if you're talking about our government

stoozey

it all depends on where you live. If you live in london then a car is not required as there is mega subsidised diesel fume belching 'public' transport. If you happen to live in the countryside there is no public transport so a vehicle is a necessity for both work and play.