Are people like me middle class?

lostinrates

Eskimo12345 wrote: »

Thanks for your comments It has not been easy to reply calmly to all that has been said! I do consider myself very aspirational, and it's difficult to see why people see that as a bad thing.

Its not a bad thing....and its a trait found in all strata of society..just expressed differently (according to stereotype).

Good luck achieving that all that you aspire towards.

moggylover

ffacoffipawb wrote: »

Welsh for "toilet" is "cachfa".

Well it might be where you are: but around here it is Ty bach:D

Graham_Devon

Eskimo, gotta say, feeling a bit sorry for ya fella!!

Got a lot of flack for an alarm clock, even down to whether someone would love you because of the damn thing. They may be trying to highlight issues with you, but in going to those extremes, I don't think the issues lie with you....

I understand the BMW. Some don't understand the difference between driving different cars. There is a vast difference. If you just use your car to get from A-B and are totally uninterested, you are not going to notice the difference. If you enjoy the sound the car makes, know how your suspension is going to react at any given situation, like the feeling of precise control and running up through the gears, you'll understand why someone would want such a car. I remember when I had my pride and joy, looking forward to getting to one certain part of the road, as I knew the sound of 3.2 V6 engine would sing its best tune right there, right on a twisty corner. Now I'm more interested in squeezing the highest MPG figuures I can, and making sure I have enough room for buggies and nappies. Take no notice of those who obviously don't have any idea between the different cars. It's just ignorance, and if someone can't understand the difference between a Vauxhall Meriva and a BMW M Sport, yet want to tell you how stupid YOU are, they are not worth listening to.

I don't understand why someone would pay over £150 for a pair of curtains. Some women on come dine with me had spent 5k on one window and it was a normal double patio door type window. Made her happy. She was well into it, and got enjoyment from them everytime she looked at them. Different strokes for different folks.

Think it was the way your intiial post came across, but think you explained yourself plenty of times it wasn't supposed to come across like that. The amount of times I've done that....

Enjoy your stuff. Still, doesn't make you middle class!

moggylover

Eskimo12345 wrote: »

Thanks for your comments It has not been easy to reply calmly to all that has been said! I do consider myself very aspirational, and it's difficult to see why people see that as a bad thing.

TBH Op, I hadn't actually taken the thread seriously, so I apologise if you found anything I said hurtful:) I would think I was probably pretty aspirational at your age, but not so much for "things" or "class", and now my aspirations are pretty much that my kids get a good education, that there are jobs out there for them by the time they leave school, and that house prices have not gone so totally barmy by then that they can aspire to at least own their own home. Doesn't have to be any better than mine, tbh, just theirs.




I can understand why you think I try to show I am successful with my choice of purchases, but I have already tried to explain I buy things because I enjoy them.

As we live in a meritocracy (give or take), a significantly improved lifestyle compared to ones parents is possible with a lot of hard work. Why should people who can afford things such as 'expensive' radios and cars, shy away from purchases that others consider extravagant and are perhaps out of reach of the average man on the street?



The same way a Boxster is a 911 wannabe, a Freelander is a Range Rover wannabe and so on? It's a bit of an irrelevant comment, really. For the record, if I wanted an M I would have bought one.

For me, it is a question I would probably never ask about myself, or anyone I know. I don't even consider it relevant because all I am ever bothered about is whether someone is nice or not. I certainly didn't want to be "better" than my parents in any way, because I considered them hard working, decent and responsible people and I only ever felt that it was a shame that those attributes alone would not have provided a better lifestyle for them than it did. However, they had one thing that I believe is better than anything I have managed to achieve (and financially I do have rather more than they did) and that is a happy marriage.

Honestly, don't even think about "class" and definitely don't ever let anyone make you ashamed of either what and where you came from or those parents who might not have had as much as you, but managed to raise you well enough that you are doing okay for yourself now;)

Other than that, it's none of our business how you spend your money: but it did sound a rather braggardly post (sorry) and I think that is why you got a bit of a hard time.

I am with you on the not liking poor quality sound production btw:)

WHITEVANMAN

Eskimo12345 wrote: »

I can understand why you think I try to show I am successful with my choice of purchases, but I have already tried to explain I buy things because I enjoy them.

As we live in a meritocracy (give or take), a significantly improved lifestyle compared to ones parents is possible with a lot of hard work. Why should people who can afford things such as 'expensive' radios and cars, shy away from purchases that others consider extravagant and are perhaps out of reach of the average man on the street?



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I think you mis understood my post.
As I said 'Enjoy' your purchases for what they are and what they mean to you.
The transcending feeling I get from your posts is that you are trying to prove to yourself your own success and your own level of worth.

I was simply trying to highlight to you that forever working hard to have more than your parents had, and working ever harder to make sure your future family have the things that you never had, is more often than not wasted energy, material wealth is no match for a personally fullfilled, satisfying life.

When you are done with forever buying the trinkets that are beyond the 'average man' to prove to yourself that you have achieved a status that your happy with, one that sets you apart from your parents humble lowly working class roots, you will focus on working on lifes more important aspects as to what it means to be personally wealthy and will discover it matters little how far you have progressed.

Of course, there is nothing wrong with a few quid to back you up and what you do with it while you are still living alone is your own choice, but no matter what your possesions, they have no reflection of the true class of the person who owns them. (I know thats not the same type of class you were referring to, but is a far more important means of charachterising your class IMO.)

I shall ask the question I posted earlier a little differently.
At what level of wealth will you no longer worry that you will not be able to provide a family with a good/better life and why is that so important to you?

chucknorris

flashnazia wrote: »

IMHO, if you have a large Telly, you are a Chav..
Sorry

Damn! We are buying out first big tv (well 40" anyway) and it's being delivered this Sat, didn't know we are now chavs, damn! Hopefully I will just be a chav while watching the tv but middle class at other times.

StevieJ

moggylover wrote: »

Well it might be where you are: but around here it is Ty bach:D

These have got a smart one

http://tybachtwt.blogspot.com/

shellsuit

Our telly looks really chavvy.

We moved here last year and now have a small living room and bigger dining room, whereas the house we moved from had a massive through room, hence why we got a 42" as the room could handle it.

Now it's like sitting in the cinema and when people come in, they always comment on how huge it is (it is hge in comparison to the size of the room it's in), when really they must be thinking 'CHAVTASTIC!' :rotfl:

moggylover

StevieJ wrote: »

These have got a smart one

http://tybachtwt.blogspot.com/

Ah, but a ty bach twt is not a toilet, it is a playhouse;):)

FATBALLZ

I don't think you would qualify as middle class. You aren't wealthy - compared to the 35+ year old property owners with little or no mortgages, you have very little. I'd suggest nobody of our generation really qualifies as middle class without being born into it, getting a well paid job is no longer a way of becoming well off if you start with nothing.