Is there a difference between parking and waiting?

KillerWatt

taffy056 wrote: »

Where did you getthe idea loading bays are for delivery vehicles only ?

Loading bays are for delivering or picking up goods that would be impractical or impossible to deliver if the driver had to walk any kind of distance (eg, delivering a sofa), getting a cup of coffee doesn't count as picking up or delivering goods and never has done.

taffy056 wrote: »

Before abusing people get your facts straight, and if abusing people is your form of advising forum users, why even bother posting ? You offer nothing constructive at all

Please feel free to show me where in my last post you were directly abused.

You knew the rules before you stopped where you did, and even freely admitted to expecting to get a ticket unless you drove away before the warden could get it on the screen - you just got caught by a camera instead so I don't really see how you can expect to find a way out of paying the fine.

taffy056

KillerWatt wrote: »

Loading bays are for delivering or picking up goods that would be impractical or impossible to deliver if the driver had to walk any kind of distance (eg, delivering a sofa), getting a cup of coffee doesn't count as picking up or delivering goods and never has done.


Please feel free to show me where in my last post you were directly abused.

You knew the rules before you stopped where you did, and even freely admitted to expecting to get a ticket unless you drove away before the warden could get it on the screen - you just got caught by a camera instead so I don't really see how you can expect to find a way out of paying the fine.

A few things, loading or unloading could be deemed posting a letter, or queuing in a post office, there is no such distinction as delivery vehicle and goods!

Also did I say you abused me ? The fact is you have added nothing to the discussion except abusing the OP ! Finally your drivel aimed at me in your last paragraph means that you think I parked in a loading bay, I did not the OP did, care to retract it now ?

Coupon-mad

Agree with Taffy.

KillerWatt added nothing useful to the thread and posted wrong info about loading bays, which is unhelpful to the OP and others reading this.

There's always ways and means to appeal Council tickets, most win as well.

Tilt

Thats why I asked 'is the PCN a code 25'? (post #3) Had it been a 23 then it would of been a bay designated for goods vehicles only which would mean those designed to carry goods (i.e. vans, lorrys ect). This is obviously a loading bay or space not limited to 'goods vehicles'. There certainly is a distinction between the two.

BruLuc

Thanks Coupon-mad and taffy056. As the OP I did not personnally want to respond directly to KillerWatt and will not do so now - no value to be added.

All other response have been very helpful. Hopefully this thread may highlight this risk to others, who like me, did not realise I was doing anything wrong by sitting in the car waiting for what was meant to be not more than a few minutes while my daughter just popped into the coffee shop - unfortunately their service was abysmal and my daughter took ages to get served.

Have I broken the law - from what I'm reading it appears yes.
Do I feel that there's been no scope for applying descretion - absolutely yes.

Coupon-mad

BruLuc wrote: »

Have I broken the law - from what I'm reading it appears yes.
Do I feel that there's been no scope for applying descretion - absolutely yes.

No you have not broken the law, as such. Parking is decriminalised in London Boroughs.

Do we feel you have scope for appeal - always! Just ask pepipoo for advice. You would be surprised - most cases win when appealed as far as PATAS and there's no harm in asking pepipoo for their view rather than just paying up.

BruLuc

Tilt wrote: »

Thats why I asked 'is the PCN a code 25'? (post #3) Had it been a 23 then it would of been a bay designated for goods vehicles only which would mean those designed to carry goods (i.e. vans, lorrys ect). This is obviously a loading bay or space not limited to 'goods vehicles'. There certainly is a distinction between the two.

This then begs the question as to what is the definition of loading.

As I mentioned previously, I'll post something on pepipoo with a copy of the PCN - but won't have time until the weekend.

Tilt

BruLuc wrote: »

This then begs the question as to what is the definition of loading.

As I mentioned previously, I'll post something on pepipoo with a copy of the PCN - but won't have time until the weekend.

This is take from Ticket Fighter;

What exactly is loading?
The exact definition of what constitutes loading is matter for debate. This page from the Association of London Government gives some information. Additionally many cases have gone to appeal and it has been up to the adjudicator to decide if a particular case constituted loading. Examples of these appeals can be found in these key cases. In summary these show that generally, picking up or dropping off goods and filling out the associated paperwork is allowed. Loading does not include shopping, but does include pre paid collections. For instance stopping outside Argos, going through a catalogue, purchasing the goods then taking them to the vehicle is not loading. However stopping to collect pre paid goods at the shop would be allowed.
Many people receive tickets for carrying out legitimate loading activities where there is clearly no prohibition on loading. In these cases you should always appeal and when appealing be sure to include proof of loading such as a delivery note. This should be adequate for the ticket to be cancelled. However if you are ticketed in a location where there is or the council claims there is a loading ban, check the regulations below....

Here is the link; http://www.ticketfighter.co.uk/parking.htm#loadingq

Unfortunately I don't think a cup of coffee will qualify. You need to find a flaw with the PCN or some problem with the signage/markings of the bay to have a chance of appeal. Only pics of these will allow us to comment or the location.

BruLuc

Tilt wrote: »

or the location.

The location was outside Cafe Arena, 10 Osborn Street London, E1 6TD.

Haven't managed to upload the PCN yet.

Tilt

That would be here then?

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=10+Osborn+Street+London,+E1+6TD&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=12.218001,46.362305&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=10+Osborn+St,+London+E1+6TD,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.51693,-0.070213&spn=0,0.022638&z=16&layer=c&cbll=51.51693,-0.070213&panoid=S6yP9acRR83f-HOqd3uiTA&cbp=12,133.01,,0,-0.53

seems the 4 x 4 has also fallen foul of the restriction! The plate would seem to be compliant assuming it is the same.