No More Sure Start Mat Grant

parsons

duchy wrote: »

Planning on waiting and starting a family at 38 is very brave or very foolhardy -depending on your viewpoint. Fertility issues at that age are far more common -I hope it works out for them.

We didn't start our family until my wife was 36 and we had no problems. Our children were planned for at a time when we could afford to bring them into the world, and my wife was able to become a permanent stay at home mum.

parsons

gravitytolls wrote: »

nEVER CEASES TO AMAZE ME ~ oops shouty ~ that folk criticise others for not ensuring they could afford children, even if circumstances change. And let's face it, sometimes babies happen without any planning whatsoever, in fact, despite best efforts not to arrive!

If everyone waited, the decline in population would have a catastrophic effect, not least because there'd be no one to care for us in our old age, via taxes or care.

The way things are going it is likely that having children when you can't afford them could mean that those children would grow up in a benefit culture, and will also be likely to be claiming long term benefits themselves when they mature. So who is going to pay the taxes?

Right now, folk need all the help they can get to make ends meet. Prices have risen, wages haven't, interest rates will surely rise soon.

Of course the welfare budget needs to be reduced, the status quo needs to be restored, with families actually being able to afford to live on wages without reliance on top up credits, but we're nowhere near that stage yet.

OP and others, good luck with your babies, with regard to grants, ebay, gumtree, the freeads and freegle are always a fair bet.

What we do need in my opinion is a change in thinking! For people in this country to realise what cause and effect actually means.

To get back to basics and to take responsibility for oneself without the expectation of others to support them via Welfare Benefits.

nannytone_2

that wont happen parsons.
the benefits system is a pandora's box. people now have a sense of entitlement.

when i had my kids ( now 28 and 31) you either worked hard and supported them or they'd go without. now it seems like if you want another child you have it, because you will always get a 'top up' and if you dont'y you feel 'wronged'.

i feel sorry for single people and childless couples. in comparison they get such a raw deal.

krisskross

gillianr2 wrote: »

Finally someone who talks some sense!! These people who are posting know nothing about others situations before commenting on them. They are too busy blethering on about their own lives and what they plan on doing without any realisation that not everyone isn't educated, or working hard like them. I really do hope that they all get through life the way they plan but life doesn't always work out like that, sometimes things happen in life you have to deal with. What would these people do if they have their families and then lose their jobs through redundancies and have to go and work for 1/4 of the pay they used to get? Would they be putting their children in homes because they cant afford them or refusing help from the government when they have children to look after? Will they be singing their own high praises when they are working 60hr weeks to keep their family in their homes so they don't have to go down the route of selling up and going on to full state benefit. Without these grants and the cost of living in the UK there's no way alot of families would survive and would end up on full state benefits, would the posters prefer for this to happen?

I certainly wouldn't be increasing my family if I couldn't affford it without the state handouts that as you have seen can be withdrawn as quickly as they were started.

As for this nonsense about needing all these children for the future. Of course we don't, this island is overcrowded. When this argument is used it is always assumed that these children will grow up to be fully card carrying, taxpaying members of society. Doesn't always happen especially when children grow up in a benefit dependent household and see how easy it is.

Leela

krisskross wrote: »

I certainly wouldn't be increasing my family if I couldn't affford it without the state handouts that as you have seen can be withdrawn as quickly as they were started.

As for this nonsense about needing all these children for the future. Of course we don't, this island is overcrowded. When this argument is used it is always assumed that these children will grow up to be fully card carrying, taxpaying members of society. Doesn't always happen especially when children grow up in a benefit dependent household and see how easy it is.

:T

If you can't feed em, don't breed em, springs to mind.

DaisyFlower

krisskross wrote: »

I certainly wouldn't be increasing my family if I couldn't affford it without the state handouts that as you have seen can be withdrawn as quickly as they were started.

As for this nonsense about needing all these children for the future. Of course we don't, this island is overcrowded. When this argument is used it is always assumed that these children will grow up to be fully card carrying, taxpaying members of society. Doesn't always happen especially when children grow up in a benefit dependent household and see how easy it is.

I agree, I would never have had my little one if relying on others to pay for my choice.

Its actually quite sad to see just how many have children and expect others to provide for them. Lots of posts saying i'm pregnant what can I expect and lots moaning that they planned another child knowing the state would give them x, y and z and now moaning they wont get it.

The sooner we return to a country where we pay for our own choices in life the better. Better for the children too, they wont grow up believing that you can not work for a living and still have all the good things in life.

krisskross

gillianr2 wrote: »

. My guess? You're not young, your family has already grown (if you have one) and "we never had those benefits when I was young". Whatever it is, im passed caring. Goodbye. :rotfl:

You are correct in your assumptions.

But why is it so bad to only have what YOU can afford?

We didn't have benefits but we both worked. I was back at work 6 weeks after giving birth because our gas was going to be cut off. Believe me it wasn't easy for us!

My husband had a vasectomy to make absolutely certain there would be no unaffordable slip ups.

Gleeful

DaisyFlower wrote: »

The sooner we return to a country where we pay for our own choices in life the better. Better for the children too, they wont grow up believing that you can not work for a living and still have all the good things in life.

Totally agree.

I work with children every day who have this mindset. They are capable, yet lazy and do not believe they need qualifications as they will either live on benefits, or win the X factor.

krisskross

Gleeful wrote: »

They are capable, yet lazy and do not believe they need qualifications as they will either live on benefits, or win the X factor.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

MissMoneypenny

gravitytolls wrote: »

If everyone waited, the decline in population would have a catastrophic effect, not least because there'd be no one to care for us in our old age, via taxes or care.

That “there'd be no one to care for us in our old age” has been stated many before times before by those wanting state handouts because they have children.

It has also been ascertained that the next lot of muggers and criminals, are also someones children.