Letting off steam - didn't know where to put this.

RAS

jess1974 wrote: »

I'm sorry i would never ask ss for help no matter how desperate my situation, i've heard far too many horror stories to put myself on there radar.....

Have you any relevant personal experience?

jess1974

RAS wrote: »

Have you any relevant personal experience?

No not personal experience, but a close friend of mine went through hell at their hands after asking for help and support, they made her jump through hoops to keep her children, she almost had a breakdown the stress was unbearable......

POPPYOSCAR

jess1974 wrote: »

No not personal experience, but a close friend of mine went through hell at their hands after asking for help and support, they made her jump through hoops to keep her children, she almost had a breakdown the stress was unbearable......

I agree with you.

I accompanied someone to court who had their child taken away from them and I read through all the court papers. I just do not know how
the child was taken into care. Going by the court papers a good 50%
of the children in this country should be taken away from their parents.

meritaten

POPPYOSCAR wrote: »

I agree with you.

I accompanied someone to court who had their child taken away from them and I read through all the court papers. I just do not know how
the child was taken into care. Going by the court papers a good 50%
of the children in this country should be taken away from their parents.

unless of course those parents are friends who have spun you a good line about how those nasty SS people have taken their kids for no good reason!
how about this for a good spin? my sons friend had her baby taken into care at birth - his friend says it was because she had cancer at the time and had no-one to help with the baby as her mum was abroad.
a year later she tells son that she is fighting her babies compulsory adoption, and that her mum is going to 'get her baby back for her'. My son knows her mum and emailed her for news.
Turns out the baby was taken into care because his friend and her partner were drug users and the flat was filthy. his friend refused to give her mums address when SS wanted to contact her about the baby. a year on and the baby is about to be adopted and friends mum is asking to adopt instead. so she goes to court.
two weeks before going to court the friends partner commits armed robbery! mum lives in Ireland, and the court decides that baby is better off with the couple the baby has been fostered with (who wanted to adopt).
now - I think that the courts and SS were VERY responsible here - but if son had taken his friends story at face value it would look very different wouldnt it??????????

POPPYOSCAR

meritaten wrote: »

unless of course those parents are friends who have spun you a good line about how those nasty SS people have taken their kids for no good reason!
how about this for a good spin? my sons friend had her baby taken into care at birth - his friend says it was because she had cancer at the time and had no-one to help with the baby as her mum was abroad.
a year later she tells son that she is fighting her babies compulsory adoption, and that her mum is going to 'get her baby back for her'. My son knows her mum and emailed her for news.
Turns out the baby was taken into care because his friend and her partner were drug users and the flat was filthy. his friend refused to give her mums address when SS wanted to contact her about the baby. a year on and the baby is about to be adopted and friends mum is asking to adopt instead. so she goes to court.
two weeks before going to court the friends partner commits armed robbery! mum lives in Ireland, and the court decides that baby is better off with the couple the baby has been fostered with (who wanted to adopt).
now - I think that the courts and SS were VERY responsible here - but if son had taken his friends story at face value it would look very different wouldnt it??????????

I understand what you are saying.

I knew this person quite well.Single mother no other children no problems. Child said something at school that was pounced on by teacher and then SS. I am not going on heresay or what I was told by parent. I read the court avadavits and I could see know good reason why this child was taken into care.
One of the reasons was that he was overweight(not obese I might add) SS sent someone into her home to show her how to cook and what to feed him on, she did not have the cunning to simply go along with it and then do her own thing.

Because she looked smart and had make up on the SS legal team made out that she had not been affected by her son being removed and looked rather well despite it.Obviously she should have been streaming tears and looking unkept!! But them I expect they would have made something of that as well.

The child was put into care and he is now unemployed and taking drugs.Had he been left with his mother I do not believe this would have been the case.

I look at the cases where children are beaten and starved and are left with the parents and then I think of this case and I just cannot believe it.

meritaten

POPPYOSCAR wrote: »

I understand what you are saying.

I knew this person quite well.Single mother no other children no problems. Child said something at school that was pounced on by teacher and then SS. I am not going on heresay or what I was told by parent. I read the court avadavits and I could see know good reason why this child was taken into care.
One of the reasons was that he was overweight(not obese I might add) SS sent someone into her home to show her how to cook and what to feed him on, she did not have the cunning to simply go along with it and then do her own thing.

Because she looked smart and had make up on the SS legal team made out that she had not been affected by her son being removed and looked rather well despite it.Obviously she should have been streaming tears and looking unkept!! But them I expect they would have made something of that as well.

The child was put into care and he is now unemployed and taking drugs.Had he been left with his mother I do not believe this would have been the case.

I look at the cases where children are beaten and starved and are left with the parents and then I think of this case and I just cannot believe it.

I know that mistakes are made by SS and the courts poppyoscar. but, as you say that the child is now unemployed and and taking drugs I assume this case was some years ago now? horrendous for your friend and sometimes you DO have to wonder whether the courts have heard of 'common sense'.
I hope this does not happen as much as it used to - if our boroughs' SS are anything to go by, its very very rare for them to seek a removal order - even in cases where people who know the families are begging them to do SOMETHING about the poor kid(s)!