EMA withdrawall

dori2o

silvercar wrote: »

The parents who pressurise their kids to leave education are not going to be persuaded not to do so for £30 a week, when employment at min wage will give them over £200.

Actually it wouldn't.

NMW for 16-17yr olds is £3.64 p/h, and doing a 40hr week would be £145.60 before tax and NI, after they would come out with £137 p/w.

Apprenticeship rates are even worse, £2.50 p/h for under 19's.

Jowo_2

silvercar wrote: »

The parents who pressurise their kids to leave education are not going to be persuaded not to do so for £30 a week, when employment at min wage will give them over £200.

More like £124 pw, as the national minimum wage is under £4 for the under 18s and that's only if they secure a full time job. Lower for an apprentice, I believe.

The parent will experience the loss of child benefit and reductions to their tax credits, LHA, council tax benefit when their child takes low paid employment and may find that the house-keeping from the child doesn't make up for it, particularly if its part time or an apprenticeship.

I've certainly seen threads on the benefits board from parents bemoaning how much poorly off they are once their kid has left education or gone onto HE and is no longer considered a dependent.

The standard forum member response is to charge them house-keeping and the standard response is that their kid has to pay for a lot of travel and work equipment out of their wages.

I do wonder whether the EMA subsidy does make it a shock for those who used to receive it and now don't feel much better off in employment because they have to spend their 'own' money (i.e. earned income) on things they used to get for 'free'....

dori2o

You get the feeling this Government don't want the young adults to stay in education at all. First it was tuition fees increasing 3 fold, and now removing the EMA. It seems only the elitist will be able to afford to go. Then again, we do have a Tory government in charge, what else did we expect.

Kick the poor when they're down seem to be their motto.

silvercar

dori2o wrote: »

You get the feeling this Government don't want the young adults to stay in education at all. First it was tuition fees increasing 3 fold, and now removing the EMA. It seems only the elitist will be able to afford to go. Then again, we do have a Tory government in charge, what else did we expect.

Kick the poor when they're down seem to be their motto.

Given the loss of WTC and CTC and council tax and LHA benefit reduction of having a 16/17 year old in work not in college, its actually the other way round - abenefit family would be better off if their child didn't work.

dori2o

silvercar wrote: »

Given the loss of WTC and CTC and council tax and LHA benefit reduction of having a 16/17 year old in work not in college, its actually the other way round - abenefit family would be better off if their child didn't work.

But my point was about the young adults, what chance of a future have they got. Many will now be unable to afford University, and a lot will not go to college with the loss of EMA.

As of now there are less chances for those from the poorer backgrounds to grind out a new life for themselves in the upper classes.

But as with ALL Tory government, this is exactly what they are trying to stop.

Afterall, they don't want the scum mingling in with their sort do they.

NeverInDebt

The Libcons dont give a !!!! about working man or its off spring they proven that by lieing about scrapping EMA and about increasing tution fees. There are few jobs out there but what do they care.

dori2o

The thing is the jobs that are out there require some kind of qualification.

I read the local rag the other day, and a job was advertised in a local mill that does mail order work. Advertised job was for a picker/packer. i did the same job for a different company whilst I was still at school in an evening and at weekends. But the advert wanted post graduates only. For picking and packing. Joe Bloggs down the road who has no qualifications, has been on the dole for x yaers/months has no chance if he can't even be considered for a picking/packing job.

Percy1983

vaporate wrote: »

£30 a week could pay for bus fare, and one or two books tops.

It does happen. I was slightly pressured myself, albeit EMA was not around then. It, ironically, came out 1 year later.

Going with £15 travel thats £15 for books per week, I don't know of any course which needs £15 per week for books.

I am happy for them to pay bus fare and books but anything past that is wrong.

I see how this and the lack of EMA will actually make the education system better, no more chavs messing about in college just to get £30 a week until they can claim JSA and no more mickey mouse degree's as those paying will really consider how degrees will be useful.

In short higher education will be populated by people who want to be there again.

ViolaLass

dori2o wrote: »

Many will now be unable to afford University, and a lot will not go to college with the loss of EMA.

When none of the costs are upfront (because you don't pay the loan back until you've finished and are earning over a certain amount), exactly how can't they afford it?

And the help will still be there for college students, it's just going to be more targeted, which sounds like an excellent idea to me.

Jowo_2

dori2o wrote: »

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I read the local rag the other day, and a job was advertised in a local mill that does mail order work. Advertised job was for a picker/packer ...i did the same job for a different company whilst I was still at school in an evening and at weekends. But the advert wanted post graduates only.....For picking and packing. ...

Scan the advert and post it here to shame them about their fussiness.