EMA withdrawall

Jowo_2

blue_monkey wrote: »

What do you think happened before EMA, CTC and CB?

I recall my parents being unimpressed with my decision to stay on to do A'levels back in the olden days before tax credits and way before EMA but I do recall my mother being relieved that she could still receive CB.

EMA, which is essentially state paid pocket money, is completely wrong. Those on low incomes have their children in education factored into their means tested benefits and its up to them to budget for their children's essential needs and expenses related to education and for the child to get a part time job if they want extra treats.

Education is an investment into the future, the return isn't guaranteed and the return has to be deferred. Bribing kids to remain in education is madness. If they can't see the value of it for what it is, and need other inducements, then its a shame but I don't see why the public purse has to be given a hit.

It could also sends out a message about state dependency at an early age. Kids will have had up to two years of being paid £30 a week, something that would take them approx 8 hours to earn in the work place, simply for turning up to learn something they are interested in. What sort of message do they absorb when they are receiving something for virtually nothing?

blue_monkey_2

gravitytolls wrote: »

As others and I have said, we all did similar, but society evolves ~ in another time our kids would've been cleaning chimneys etc., I wonder how many folk claimed the equivalent of your statement then?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1348516/Unemployment-leaps-2-5m-record-levels-young-people-work.html

What jobs will they get to buy their spade with?

I spent months trying to get an empolyee but they cannot be a-rsed to do the work. And I was paying £7.50 an hour so above minimum wage. On the start day I was let down by a couple of people, and then I was told 'I do not think I can find the time' by another couple (who had no other jobs). Seriously, it is some PC work - which could be done from home if they wanted to once the knew what to do.

People want to earn 20k sraightaway, it is about time they stopped being so choosy. I have a job to offer, no-one wants to do it. How many other small businesses are there out there like me that have been let down so now do not want the hassle of it over and over again? Now I won't bother, I'll do it myself in the evenings and at weekends as I am sick of being let down. This was by 6 people in total. Their loss, I'll just have more to do. They could be another person off the dole but life is better for some on benefits and they have no self respect which is why they do not want the work even when it is going.

savemoney

Really

I dont have to justify myself to you or how I spend my money.

Neither of those good are expensive and Oh I save money being frugal not that it concerns you

blue_monkey wrote: »

savemoney, I saw that you posted this on another thread



Sometimes, in life, you have to sort out your priorities. If you can afford a wii and an xbox, do you really class yourselves as poor? Do you buy games to put in them or are they just there. You really should sstop and think about what you are writing.
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Maybe you can mind your own business

blue_monkey wrote: »

Maybe you should be spending the money on your kids education instead of computer consoles which are not food, bills etc......

blue_monkey_2

Ouch, did that hurt.

Don't complain about being poor and not having any money 'for your children's education' when you own luxuries such as those. It is called priorities. Being frugal should pay for your childrens education first, luxuries last.

Oldernotwiser

savemoney wrote: »

Sorry to be pedantic but you right in part but some can in special circumstances, also many students will be in education by the time they reach 18 and able to get JSA although this may effect some benefits

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTaxAndBenefits/BenefitsTaxCreditsAndOtherSupport/Employedorlookingforwork/DG_10018757

Who can get Jobseeker's Allowance?

To get Jobseeker's Allowance you must be:

• available for, capable and actively seeking work
• aged 18 or over but below State Pension age
• working less than 16 hours per week on average
• in Great Britain

Jobseeker's Allowance isn't normally paid to 16 or 17 year olds, except in special cases.

Only very special cases are able to claim JSA at 16/17; the criteria are very tight. You're obviously correct about 18 year olds but, if they're still in education at that age, most of them will continue rather than drop out for the sake of a few quid.

savemoney

I dont tell you how you spend your money nor do you begin to know how I get mine not everything is black and white so it seems. Sorry to bust your bubble

Dont preach to me how I raise my kids or how I spend my money, it has nothing to do with you


My money goes on my kids. Ever had a disabled child? I spend some of my money to make life better for her, the xbox is hers btw. The blue-ray a present. Feel smug now

I didnt complain I was poor or not having any money. This ema is not about me either, my kids are adults the money is theirs

blue_monkey wrote: »

Ouch, did that hurt.

Don't complain about being poor and not having any money 'for your children's education' when you own luxuries such as those. It is called priorities. Being frugal should pay for your childrens education first, luxuries last.

silvercar

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

When I worked in FE, students had their travel funded if they went to the nearest school/college that offered their course. If they chose to travel to somewhere further away, they had to fund the travel themselves.

Transport to schools is being cut back massively at the moment. Hertfordshire is in consultation to not only stop funding transport to schools and colleges but to stop providing the service. So people will have to find their own way to schools/ colleges and won't even be able to pay to use county's services.

savemoney

Yes I did say special cases, not sure what criteria that is though possible disabled maybe at a guess

Some may drop out if they rely on travel I live in UK largest county manly rural based, I know many use buses to go to villagers not sure if there is any help with those costs or not

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Only very special cases are able to claim JSA at 16/17; the criteria are very tight. You're obviously correct about 18 year olds but, if they're still in education at that age, most of them will continue rather than drop out for the sake of a few quid.

Percy1983

savemoney wrote: »

Neither of those good are expensive

As much as I don't want to seem to be on the attack, the items are expensive to anybody living in poverty, and I do think its a good point on a wider scale, how many of these who claim they can't afford books without EMA have ipods, 360s, PS3s, laptops, Wii's, 40"+ TV's.

As mentioned prevously it seemed more like those with EMA had the PS2's (back when I left school) and those who didn't get it didn't have PS2's.

ILW

savemoney wrote: »

, my kids are adults

Err???????