EMA withdrawall

lemonjelly

blue_monkey wrote: »

If your child is in college, don't you get CTC and Child Benefit anyway? Why not give it to them instead? If they were working you'd not be getting it. Or make them get weekend jobs. If they were out working they would not be out spending!!

I very strongly agree with this part of your post.

A lot of parents I see do not seem to appreciate that child tax credits and child benefit is paid for the financial upkeep of children. It is specifically for providing for their clothing, transport, feeding and yes, educational needs!

blue_monkey_2

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

It's not a good point! For the umpteenth time, 16 and 17 year olds cannot claim JSA and their parents will lose their child benefit and child tax credits if they leave education.

Low income families will be enormously worst off if their children leave education, even without EMA!

I am sure that Tesco would rather emply 16 and 17 year olds as they can pay them less.

I once worked as a manager of a UK wide convenience store - HO only employed under 17's at the weekend (and some evenings) as it was cheaper for the company, with one supervisor that was over 21.

life_in_termoil

Roll on education till their 18!! Its just the Governments was of re introducing YTS and apprenticeships except this way they dont have to pay the child for attending. But at least the bus fare will be free.

After 18 if you dont get a job or go onto University then I think they should all do a stint of National Service like they do in other countries.

lemonjelly

ILW wrote: »

Seems we are now in a situation where people expect to get paid for everything, such as having children, going to school, getting drunk, etc etc. All seems a bit crazy to me.

I think, whilst not quite in line with the wording, are you saying that there is a lack of personal responsibility? If so, I'd agree.

It seems insane to me that people sign up for courses, then 2 months in come running to me/colleagues whinging that they can't afford to do the course because of x, y or z. I mean, exactly what research did you do into doing the course before you enrolled? Exactly how committed are you? Did you not consider the costs such as travel, books, stationary etc prior to deciding to do the course?

When they answer no, they give the impression they are offended at being asked such a question...

savemoney

Children tax credit/ wftc runs out for me very soon. That money as we are on a low income pays for things like food, bills etc

Many people rely on tax credits because we all know many employers dont pay a liveable wage, why do you think my kids want to learn, BECAUSE I DONT WANT THEM TO LIVE ON POOR INCOME. Perhaps we should start attacking employers who pay minimum wage we all know its an existence and thats all, yep tax payer has to pay for short fall

Only one of my daughters gets ema, the other gets nothing she still goes to college but her course doesn't qualify for ema now and she cant get the other grant. She has to pay for transport to college ie taxi every day which is paid for by her dla, she is disabled.

My other daughter works part time minimum wage, only hotel she works at is closed at mo.

My kids work hard at college rarely and I mean rarely have they ever had a day off since starting school and have numerous letters from school/college about the attendance and hard work

Not all families can support students, not all ema is used for expensive things as some on here have implicated, I am sure it does go on though but not in our case

I have said before fair enough cut ema, but not all of it

blue_monkey wrote: »

But if YOUR children ant to stay on st school rather than get jobs and pay their own way, should this not be YOUR responsibility? Why should the state pay for THEIR choices. the Child Benefits and (possibly) CTC will pay for this. this is what the money is for, to pay for things your children need, in this case higher education.

I too went back to college later in life, and in the evening, to get the qualifications I did not at school and so I could better my prospects, I had to pay for it too. I made that choice.

Oh, and yes, I do have children. If they want to carry on their education I'd expect to pay for it. I'd also expect them to get jobs at a weekend or in an evening to give them a good work ethic too. There are always jobs for students as they can earn less and therefore employers would want them at the weekend over staff that are over 21.

blue_monkey_2

savemoney wrote: »

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I have said before fair enough cut ema, but not all of it

What do you think happened before EMA, CTC and CB?

And working hard - what all day? What sort of times? If it is 16 hours a day then that is hard enough. Or is that not acceptable?

I was working at 16 and I went to college in the evening. My parents were poor too. No-one can take personal responsibility for themselves these days. You have to cut back on some things I am afraid.

I remember my wage in 1988 was £2.50 an hour, I worked full time and I did 3 different college classes in the evening and the other nights I worked in a pizza place. I had no car, I had to get buses everywhere (90 minutes to work, 90 minutes home to go 10 miles). Lunchtime was for eating and homework. I did this because I wanted my life to be better.

And another time I lived on my own away from my family (fled a violent relationsip) I worked 5 different jobs, starting at 6am, finishing at midnight as they were all low paid jobs.

Life sucks sometimes but if you want to get out of the hole you need a spade and you need to dig it yourself and not expect others to do it for you. You make the life that you want, it is no good bleating on about being poor as many of us have been there too but did not get the handouts that they do today, we had to live on what we had. it is also no good having kids then complain that someone else will not pay you to lok after them. They are old enough to look after themselves, if they cannot get another job then you should and they should be cooking your tea when you come in.

gravitytolls

blue_monkey wrote: »

What do you think happened before EMA, CTC and CB?

And working hard - what all day? What sort of times?

I was working at 16 and I went to college in the evening. My parents were poor too. No-one can take personal responsibility for themselves these days. You have to cut back on some things I am afraid.

I remember my wage in 1988 was £2.50 an hour, I worked full time and I did 3 different college classes in the evening and the other nights I worked in a pizza place. I had no car, I had to get buses everywhere (90 minutes to work, 90 minutes home to go 10 miles). Lunchtime was for eating and homework. I did this because I wanted my life to be better.

Life sucks sometimes but if you want to get out of the hole you need a spade and you need to dig it yourself and not expect others to do it for you. You make the life that you want, it is no good bleating on about being poor as many of us have been there too but did not get the handouts that they do today, we had to live on what we had.

As others and I have said, we all did similar, but society evolves ~ in another time our kids would've been cleaning chimneys etc., I wonder how many folk claimed the equivalent of your statement then?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1348516/Unemployment-leaps-2-5m-record-levels-young-people-work.html

What jobs will they get to buy their spade with?

savemoney

My kids are 19 and 18 I raised them up partly before wftc/ctc so before you have another go at me I know exactly what its like. I had to do a awful lot of over time when I started with a family and I also lived in negative equity on 16% interest rates at one time. I would work from 5am-3-4pm some days and more at xmas with 1/2 break

When I was at college at 24 having lost my job through redundancy I then went to college and hold 2 jobs, I also didnt have a car, so please dont preach to me how bad you had it I know what its like

All I saying is some students need this ema. Its better for students to go to college and learn than hang around streets doing nothing

blue_monkey wrote: »

What do you think happened before EMA, CTC and CB?

And working hard - what all day? What sort of times?

I was working at 16 and I went to college in the evening. My parents were poor too. No-one can take personal responsibility for themselves these days. You have to cut back on some things I am afraid.

I remember my wage in 1988 was £2.50 an hour, I worked full time and I did 3 different college classes in the evening and the other nights I worked in a pizza place. I had no car, I had to get buses everywhere (90 minutes to work, 90 minutes home to go 10 miles). Lunchtime was for eating and homework. I did this because I wanted my life to be better.

Life sucks sometimes but if you want to get out of the hole you need a spade and you need to dig it yourself and not expect others to do it for you. You make the life that you want, it is no good bleating on about being poor as many of us have been there too but did not get the handouts that they do today, we had to live on what we had.

blue_monkey_2

savemoney, I saw that you posted this on another thread

I got a netgear 200Mbps one which has a hub so you can run 4 appliances. I currently run a xbox360slim (has wireless n), wii, blue-ray and freesat pvr I haven't had any problems with video and run iplayer on it at highest rating not quite HD but best quality iplayer give for freesat

I find it very easy to setup and no messing about with ip addresses, passwords

Sometimes, in life, you have to sort out your priorities. If you can afford a wii and an xbox, do you really class yourselves as poor? Do you buy games to put in them or are they just there. You really should sstop and think about what you are writing.

Children tax credit/ wftc runs out for me very soon. That money as we are on a low income pays for things like food, bills etc

Many people rely on tax credits because we all know many employers dont pay a liveable wage, why do you think my kids want to learn, BECAUSE I DONT WANT THEM TO LIVE ON POOR INCOME

Maybe you should be spending the money on your kids education instead of computer consoles which are not food, bills etc......

ILW

gravitytolls wrote: »

As others and I have said, we all did similar, but society evolves ~ in another time our kids would've been cleaning chimneys etc., I wonder how many folk claimed the equivalent of your statement then?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1348516/Unemployment-leaps-2-5m-record-levels-young-people-work.html

What jobs will they get to buy their spade with?

I would not consider it evolution if society has evolved to a point where very few feel the need to take responsibility for themselves or their children.