Avon, Betterware, Kleeneze? Any others?

ohdamnit

Remember all these companies main business is not selling product, but recruiting agents (for a fee), if it were anything else and they believed in their product they wouldn't need/want paying to join them...

JennyJewell

Hi
People pay for their business pack - whatever that business may be, (catalogues, paperwork,etc). However there are no costs to become a Betterware agent but it is run slightly differently to others. You can build a team with Kleeneze and Wikaniko but not with Betterware - you are working for them unless you decide to become a team leader/co-ordinator.
In regards to products Wikaniko also run things differently with their pay structure - they focus more on the sale of their products and distributors are rewarded with higher commissions for bigger sales - this makes it fair on everyone, if someone doesn't have an interest on building a team of distributors they have the opportunity of earning higher earnings depending on their own personal sales.

ohdamnit wrote: »

Remember all these companies main business is not selling product, but recruiting agents (for a fee), if it were anything else and they believed in their product they wouldn't need/want paying to join them...

ohdamnit

JennyJewell wrote: »

Hi
People pay for their business pack - whatever that business may be, (catalogues, paperwork,etc). However there are no costs to become a Betterware agent but it is run slightly differently to others. You can build a team with Kleeneze and Wikaniko but not with Betterware - you are working for them unless you decide to become a team leader/co-ordinator.
In regards to products Wikaniko also run things differently with their pay structure - they focus more on the sale of their products and distributors are rewarded with higher commissions for bigger sales - this makes it fair on everyone, if someone doesn't have an interest on building a team of distributors they have the opportunity of earning higher earnings depending on their own personal sales.

I am aware that the money is stated to be for catalogues, etc, however that makes no sense from a business point of view. If you are unclear what many of the companies main business is, please follow the money, by which I mean look at where they spend money on advertising and marketing? Most will be on recruiting agents.

They could if they wished give the catalogues away free as they must already have them printed? It is already an expense on the accounts that cannot be recovered.

I have no problem with them, as long as people understand the business model. I am not saying every business is like that, but most are. In what other sales job would you have to buy your own sales stuff, you are not a self employed business/franchise you are a sales agent.

nortong

JennyJewell wrote: »

I'm very big on researching I have searched and read non-bias reviews on their products and the business as a whole I have also tried and tested some of their products and the quality of them are brilliant and they work I have also looked at their website time and time again for my own personal interest regarding their recycling, the work they do and love their cooking recipes - brilliant
The people involved with Wikaniko who I have been in contact with since seem genuinely lovely, like-minded people full of inspirational tips and not once have they ever tried to talk me into joining - a really nice refreshing change
This has been my experience so far - so from someone who is not involved and yet has had some really nice experiences so far I think I can recommend them from what I have found
Jen

Is the full stop key broken on your computer?

JennyJewell

Lol - I prefer ending sentences with smiley faces

nortong wrote: »

Is the full stop key broken on your computer?

nortong

JennyJewell wrote: »

Lol - I prefer ending sentences with smiley faces

Can't argue with that!

JennyJewell

I have tried both Betterware and Kleeneze in years gone by and both blinkin hard work! They were both useful to me for different reasons at the time but both require bundles of energy and effort as well as a helluva lot of patience. I found with Keeneze there was a massive emphasis on recruiting and hirachy can be extremely pushy and at times downright unfair. My Betterware co-ordinator was a really nice chap but I found it harder in all honesty to get so many sales although in all fairness because there is nothing to pay out the commission weighs out to be on a par with Kleeneze by the time you pay out for books etc with them.
Someone on MSN mentioned before that if you want to earn pin money go for Betterware but if you want to build a business go for Kleeneze.
I haven't tried Wikaniko yet but am really interested - 3rd party business reviews have given lots of positive feedback, I love greener, chemical free products and the people I have spoken to are really nice and haven't been pushy in the slightest
Jen

ohdamnit wrote: »

I am aware that the money is stated to be for catalogues, etc, however that makes no sense from a business point of view. If you are unclear what many of the companies main business is, please follow the money, by which I mean look at where they spend money on advertising and marketing? Most will be on recruiting agents.

They could if they wished give the catalogues away free as they must already have them printed? It is already an expense on the accounts that cannot be recovered.

I have no problem with them, as long as people understand the business model. I am not saying every business is like that, but most are. In what other sales job would you have to buy your own sales stuff, you are not a self employed business/franchise you are a sales agent.

JennyJewell

Thank you

nortong wrote: »

Can't argue with that!

Jeanetteathome

Ypaymore wrote: »

Hate it or like it its not a franchise.:D

It most certainly is a franchise - it's not *your* business regardless what Kleeneze and their agents spout. You have no control over stock, you have to use their catalogues selling their goods at their prices, if an item is out of stock or discontinued you have to accept that. Websites have to be approved by them . When ( deeply unlikely nowadays) you get to a high level in the company you are then expected to devote ALL your time to kleeneze -e.g you can't run or promote another business.

Thats a franchise

Ypaymore

Jeanetteathome wrote: »

It most certainly is a franchise - it's not *your* business regardless what Kleeneze and their agents spout. You have no control over stock, you have to use their catalogues selling their goods at their prices, if an item is out of stock or discontinued you have to accept that. Websites have to be approved by them . When ( deeply unlikely nowadays) you get to a high level in the company you are then expected to devote ALL your time to kleeneze -e.g you can't run or promote another business.

Thats a franchise

A franchise is defined as a business that is authorized to sell or distribute a company's goods or services in a particular geographic area. When you open a franchise, you own the biz and its infrastructure along with the right to use the franchising company's brand, trademarks, and promotional materials. In most cases you also own the exclusive rights to sell the product in your franchise area.
In return for these rights, the franchisee (you) agree to pay an upfront fee to the franchising company. This fee can is usually significant and covers a variety services that are provided to you by the franchising company. There is often also an ongoing franchise fee that is paid on a monthly, quarterly, or annual basis.

Therefore a Kleeneze distributorship is not a franchise.:D