Help, gross misconduct!

lindos90

Does your mum do the two lots of shopping by herself, or does a family member take her?

Im just wondering if Asda have gone to the trouble of looking at the itemised reciepts, they may have looked at CCTV, if she is with someone, then perhaps Asda have wrongly assumed the second lot of shopping belongs to the other person.

I thnik the best course of action is to tell the whole truth, even if it means explaining your mums MH problems. Read up on the preceedure, take a rep in with you, try and have some time to talk with them first so they understand the history and can help you more when you are in there.

Personally I would say the fact they didnt suspend you is perhaps a good sign.

alyth

everytime your card is used it is clocked - I bought a widescreen tv for myself in the sale at Asda and it was picked up and I was "interviewed" a couple of weeks ago. Once it was ascertained (through facebook and comments from friends) that I hadn't had a tv for 2.5 years and that I was simply spoiling myself after a hard four weeks of christmas work, my line manager was cool with that.

there won't be any cctv footage, the cameras whiz along and don't spent anytime on any till. I've tried that before when a customer said he's "lost" money at the till.

I'm afraid you're going to have to take the punishment - I've said it before, Asda are brutal as hell. At least you won't have to do the walk of shame of being marched out of the store with the security guards as happened to another colleague earlier this week!

Aliasaila

What punishment? I haven't done anything wrong and neither has my mum! Even the PSM had to admit that what I described although it's unusual (mum buying my stuff separately) isn't against the rules but they wanted me to explain the cleaning products. The ATM who is conducting the meetings (would prefer the GSM but that's another issue) hasn't followed the correct procedure in his investigations (took me into a room in my own department in front of other colleagues, didn't suspend me even though it says he should have, didn't give me a copy of the notes).

The spends on the cleaning stuff although it is high is for the house. Read page 3 of your "colleague discount card policy" book and it says in 2 different ways that there is no limit on how much you can spend using your discount card.

alyth

it's abuse of your discount card - haven't you realised that despite what it says in a handbook, then what your mother did was abuse of the card and as such someone (i.e) you will pay for that. There are something like 50 colleagues that are dismissed every double discount day for abuse of the card. Whether or not the correct procedures were followed are irrelevant. bringing your family personal history into the matter is not going to help you in any way, in fact it will hinder you.

Aliasaila

If it isn't in the handbook then you can't be disciplined for it, they can't change the rules as and when they want without giving you an up-to-date set of rules (that you sign for, like when we got our new colleague handbooks last year. You're just talking nonsense now.

Incidentally I checked the latest handbook to be sure and discount cards aren't even mentioned in them.

dmg24

Aliasaila wrote: »

If it isn't in the handbook then you can't be disciplined for it, they can't change the rules as and when they want without giving you an up-to-date set of rules (that you sign for, like when we got our new colleague handbooks last year. You're just talking nonsense now.

Incidentally I checked the latest handbook to be sure and discount cards aren't even mentioned in them.

That is very rude, alyth is trying to help you, and their advice makes more sense than your ideas.

If your mum has mental health problems to this extent, why did you allow her to have the card? As you live in the same house, how have you only become aware of her hoarding now?

Aliasaila

Well we didn't realise how bad it was, she's a bit mental but we thought the spending problem was more to do with luxuries (we have a loft full of clothes and shoes), we never thought that she was buying mental volumes of green toilet duck!

The hoarding is very clever, reminds me of my gran when she died and we found all her booze stashes, there are 2 bottles of bleach and 1 toilet duck beside the toilet, a bottle under kitchen sink, a few under the stairs, some in the hut, some upstairs in the airing cupboard etc. They are all such normal places to find these products, we just never stopped to think why is there toilet duck in this cupboard and in the one downstairs. We've also found cloths in really weird places like in the electricity meter where no one ever goes.

ETA it made sense for her to have the card because she does all the shopping.

Aliasaila

alyth wrote: »

it's abuse of your discount card - haven't you realised that despite what it says in a handbook, then what your mother did was abuse of the card and as such someone (i.e) you will pay for that. There are something like 50 colleagues that are dismissed every double discount day for abuse of the card. Whether or not the correct procedures were followed are irrelevant. bringing your family personal history into the matter is not going to help you in any way, in fact it will hinder you.

And I'm sorry dmg but come on, the highlighted phrase is utter nonsense, there's no point in having employment laws if that is true. Asda is big but it isn't immune to the law.

smartpicture

I think it's an excellent idea to go in armed with full knowledge of the discount card scheme, knowledge is power. Are you sure there aren't separate terms and conditions for the discount card scheme outside the handbook, possibly something you signed when they gave you the card or something that came with it? There were separate T&C for a company card when my daughter worked for another high street store. You need to be sure of your facts.

Having said that, I don't think it will be helpful to go in with the kind of bolshy, stroppy attitude you seem to be developing here, if you want to keep your job. It might be better to stick to the bare facts, then emphasise the things you said earlier about what you contribute to the company.

Aliasaila wrote: »

she had a wee cry on Friday and said she felt awful because I hate her because she's lost me my job, she's been fine since), apparently she doesn't need any more stress (hello - it's me that's losing my job you loon ball).

Finally, while you're obviously upset about your job - a job is just a temporary part of your life, and family is forever. It sounds like your mum could do with support here too rather than being dismissed as 'a loon ball'.

dmg24

Aliasaila wrote: »

Well we didn't realise how bad it was, she's a bit mental but we thought the spending problem was more to do with luxuries (we have a loft full of clothes and shoes), we never thought that she was buying mental volumes of green toilet duck!

The hoarding is very clever, reminds me of my gran when she died and we found all her booze stashes, there are 2 bottles of bleach and 1 toilet duck beside the toilet, a bottle under kitchen sink, a few under the stairs, some in the hut, some upstairs in the airing cupboard etc. They are all such normal places to find these products, we just never stopped to think why is there toilet duck in this cupboard and in the one downstairs. We've also found cloths in really weird places like in the electricity meter where no one ever goes.

ETA it made sense for her to have the card because she does all the shopping.

That does not make sense - fair enough if you did not live with her, but to have missed numerous bottles of bleach seems very unlikely. Also, why put responsibility of someone with MH problems for the household shop?

There are lots of holes in your story.

Aliasaila wrote: »

And I'm sorry dmg but come on, the highlighted phrase is utter nonsense, there's no point in having employment laws if that is true. Asda is big but it isn't immune to the law.

alyth was referring to whether you had been suspended or not. That really is not important, it would only be so if you were likely to cause problems in the workplace.