A plan so cunning you could brush your teeth with it :)

elantan

ZTD wrote: »

Depends what you mean by freedom. Obviously if I'm free to go around burning down houses, that may impinge on your freedom to have a good night's sleep.

But if you mean free to think what you want, and free to say what you want - that passed a long time ago. There are a number of laws which have privisons in them to make it illegal to voice your disagreement to them.

And then there's this.

I do like this quote though: "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." — 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution (1996) - Claire Wolfe

that is just SHOCKING ... yeah that was the kinda freedom i meant ... the second kind ... no need to burn houses honest

savingwannabe

Would you guys ever want to live anywhere else bearing the above stuff Mr Z said in mind?

jinky67

ZTD wrote: »

Just don't look up teabagging then...

:whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle:

ZTD

savingwannabe wrote: »

Would you guys ever want to live anywhere else bearing the above stuff Mr Z said in mind?

I'd love to live somewhere else. Finding that somewhere else that's not equally as bad is proving difficult.

ZTD

jinky67 wrote: »

:whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle:

You too?

jinky67

ZTD wrote: »

You too?

I didnt need to Google:rotfl:

savingwannabe

I have travelled a fair bit but there is no place like home. I love it here, I couldn't imagine living anywhere else. Yes horrid stuff happens but we still get to hear about it. We can campaign, yep we are put on lists but they can't kill us all.

What do you think of David Kelly? Ken Saro wiwo? Karen Silkwood? Mordechai Vanunu? they are my heroes (apart from poor George who is lumbered with that label too, he is kind of like my social worker, lawyer, shrink).

savingwannabe

Mr Z do you ever get told off for what you say?

ZTD

savingwannabe wrote: »

I have travelled a fair bit but there is no place like home. I love it here, I couldn't imagine living anywhere else. Yes horrid stuff happens but we still get to hear about it.

Do you? How do you know all the stuff you don't know about? Did you read the article about the hyperinjunction?

How many foreign websites do you read? Only they are outside of a section D gagging order.

savingwannabe wrote: »

We can campaign, yep we are put on lists but they can't kill us all.

Why would they kill you if you're ineffective?

savingwannabe wrote: »

What do you think of David Kelly?

He must have known something else. Otherwise the risk/reward balance of killing him is way out of kilter.

savingwannabe wrote: »

Ken Saro wiwo?

Never heard of him.

savingwannabe wrote: »

Karen Silkwood?

The dodgyness of the nuclear (or indeed any other American industry) in the 70's is well known. It has come back to haunt... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-23/fukushima-engineer-says-he-covered-up-flaw-at-shut-reactor.html

savingwannabe wrote: »

Mordechai Vanunu?

Never heard of him either.

savingwannabe wrote: »

they are my heroes (apart from poor George who is lumbered with that label too, he is kind of like my social worker, lawyer, shrink).

I don't particularly have heroes. Certainly there are people to admire for their bravery, like the fukushima 50, and then there are people to admire for their honesty above their careers. Andrew Maguire for example. Just little pieces in the puzzle.

ZTD

savingwannabe wrote: »

Mr Z do you ever get told off for what you say?

Told off where, and for what?