Reporting the Ex After 10 years, Advice Wanted.

speedster

Roy_G_Biv wrote: »

I appreciate you are dismissive in telling me "none of your posts are factually correct", can you show me where you got the above fact from?

the csa are immune to the HRA, thanks to adolf blair opting out of the social chapter of the HRA.

if you don't believe me, try quoting section 6 (i think) with regard to right of peace and life. if you are an illegal immigrant who served a sentence for rape and then quoted that section of the HRA when the home office tried and failed to deport him.

but an nrp cannot use the same law when they leave him with less than the legal bread line to survive on.

i have heard many guys like you who come on all guns blazing, quoting this law and that law, then getting nowhere.

like i say, i appreciate your intentions but in practice it just doesn't work, and if by any chance you can haul them up on a point of law it takes years of stress and aggro and a small fortune to achieve it.

Roy_G_Biv

speedster wrote: »

the csa are immune to the HRA, thanks to adolf blair opting out of the social chapter of the HRA.

if you don't believe me, try quoting section 6 (i think) with regard to right of peace and life........

When you say "HRA" do you mean the Human Rights Act? I dont think I have ever mentioned anything about human rights - whether for a CSA worker or a parent, nor does it constitute any Criminal law.

I dont think perverting the Human Rights Act commits an offence. The Fraud Act 2006 and and perjury Act 1911 does.

An interesting point you made. When I initially asked the Economic Crimes Unit to investigate, their initial comeback was "this may seriously impact the career of a public service worker" and "they have a family and a livelihood to consider". My response was the CSA displayed no such concern when I was defrauded when they made a false representation about my circumstances. I insisted the investigation must continue and be carried out objectively and professionally.

speedster

agreed, but the vast majority of people aren't as tenacious or clued up as the likes of you and some others.

at the end of the day, when these "government officials" are quoting "law" at people, they tend to believe it. but in my experience, they know about as much about actual law as i know about knitting.

and trying to get the rozzers to act on anything other than you doing 33 in a 30 is bloody hard work too.

Roy_G_Biv

speedster wrote: »

at the end of the day, when these "government officials" are quoting "law" at people.

Ive never heard a CSA say to me "its the law" becuase I would ask "what law?" - if they cannot say, and its discovered there is no such law supporting the fact the CSA is trying to convey then the official becomes unstuck with Section 40(1)(d) of the Administrtation of Justice Act 1970.

Roy_G_Biv

speedster wrote: »

agreed, but the vast majority of people aren't as tenacious or clued up as the likes of you and some others.

Its never intended, I was represented by a solicitor during by battle with the CSA. Plenty of time to garner lots of legal background and case law.

speedster

Roy_G_Biv wrote: »

Ive never heard a CSA say to me "its the law" becuase I would ask "what law?" - if they cannot say, and its discovered there is no such law supporting the fact the CSA is trying to convey then the official becomes unstuck with Section 40(1)(d) of the Administrtation of Justice Act 1970.

their favourite "law" is the 2 years to clear arrears law.

the amount of people scared sh1tless by that one is untrue. they tried it on with me. i simply told them that until they sent me a copy of the relevant legislation which confirmed it was indeed law, that they could "whistle dixie" for me upping payments to comply.

another one worth noting is the fact that they are not affiliated with the FSA so it's illegal for them to advise you take out a loan or credit card to pay them.

thing is, most of the chimps on the phone go by what the higher chimps have told them is law, and they actually believe it. i had countless rows with the "phone chimps" and it became apparent that they are just brainwashed drones who haven't got a clue.

as borat says "issa like a letting the monkey fly plane!" :rotfl:

Roy_G_Biv

speedster wrote: »

thing is, most of the chimps on the phone go by what the higher chimps have told them is law, and they actually believe it. i had countless rows with the "phone chimps" and it became apparent that they are just brainwashed drones who haven't got a clue.

Are you sure the CSA is really doing this? its a very dangerous tactic for both management and workforce to engage in.

If anyone recorded the conversation with the CSA, they would have a problem. This is insinuating the higher authority is assisting another to make a false representation. (Section 4 of the Criminal Law Act 1967)

Assisting the offender carries much stiffer sentences in the official advisory issued to presiding Magistrates and Judges by the Sentencing Guidelines Council.

markeymark

just wanted to say Roy G Biv,u seem to have the finger on the pulse, wish i had you in my corner when i hadmy fight with the CSA

speedster

Roy_G_Biv wrote: »

Are you sure the CSA is really doing this? its a very dangerous tactic for both management and workforce to engage in.

If anyone recorded the conversation with the CSA, they would have a problem. This is insinuating the higher authority is assisting another to make a false representation. (Section 4 of the Criminal Law Act 1967)

Assisting the offender carries much stiffer sentences in the official advisory issued to presiding Magistrates and Judges by the Sentencing Guidelines Council.

yup. heard it with my own ears. the phone chimp was doing the usual and insisting i cleared arrears in 2 years. i politely told her to "do one" then she started going on about this "new law" saying you had to clear arrears in 2 years, blah, blah, blah.

REALLY??? i asked, "could you send me a copy of the relevant legislation which confirms this?"

"er, i don't have access to that information and our computer doesn't allow us to print that kind of stuff"

followed by more excuses. my reply was that as soon as i recieved confirmation of the "law" then i would comply.

it is just a departmental "steer" but it's well known they've been punting it out as "law" for ages.

also, the FSA are apparently investigating their tactics, as they are in breach of their rules regarding offering financial advice when not qualified to do so.

proving it is very hard as they wont give you their surnames, also, recorded phone calls cant be used as evidence unless you have informed them you are recording the call. and if you do inform them, they either hang up or are very shady.

i know this, cos everytime i started getting sh1te off any of the phone chimps, i pulled out the "i am recording this call for security puropses" half the time they hung up, the other half they ceased with their idle threats and "law" quotes.

Roy_G_Biv

Im not sure why the FSA would be involved, they only investigate regulated firms.

The CSA is a government agency and exempt from a requirement to be a registered firm.

If the above conversation is genuine and you caught it on tape, you can subtitle it with the relevants Acts of Parliament they have contradicted and post it all on YouTube. You could send it to a chavloid, they love sensasionising this kind of stuff.

If the CSA telephones you, you dont need to tell them the call is being recorded, unless the call was made to a business with a view to making a commercial transaction.