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TFL Penalty fare on DLR - appealed but no response...
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I'm confused now. So if the Revenue bloke deems that their 'excuse' is plausable after having checked the machines etc, why was a PF issued in the first place?geordie_taxi wrote: »apparently they demand that the revenue bloke sells them a single ticket making the excuse that thats the first time they could get one due to ticket vending machine playing up at their station. then they take the penalty fare and laugh. apparently it hard to prove an "intent to avoid payment" or a bylaw offence if you have a valid ticket and excuse. this is what the punters tell me
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cos if you travel in a penalty fare area without a ticket you get a penalty fare this is what happens up in the NE perhaps its different down your neck of the woodsFares Advisor & Oyster Specialist - Newdeal/ukRail Fares Workshop Accredited0
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If you travel in any Penalty Fare area without a ticket you are Penalty Fared. However, if there's no way to buy a ticket (no working TVMs and Ticket Office closed for example), it's acceptable to buy a ticket at your earliest opportunity. This is usually on board the train, however at you destination or at your first interchange station is accepted. That being the case, PFs aren't issued.geordie_taxi wrote: »cos if you travel in a penalty fare area without a ticket you get a penalty fare this is what happens up in the NE perhaps its different down your neck of the woods0 -
must be over zealous jobs worths up here as its the same people that keep getting penatly fares. its quite annoying as a lot of them litter the back of my taxi with them :mad:Fares Advisor & Oyster Specialist - Newdeal/ukRail Fares Workshop Accredited0
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Either Jobsworth Revenue blokes or serial fare evaders who know how to play the system?geordie_taxi wrote: »must be over zealous jobs worths up here as its the same people that keep getting penatly fares. its quite annoying as a lot of them litter the back of my taxi with them :mad:0 -
Not shocked. Without reading the entire topic, he had a season ticket and was able to prove it, this isn't quite the same thing, is it?geordie_taxi wrote: »hmm!!!!! people make mistakes all the time and so do train companys this poster got his penalty fare cancelled for a genuine mistake
so please feel shocked
I don't disagree with this, but the OP should pay £25 while it's still £25 and appeal.geordie_taxi wrote: »thats why it always best to fight a penalty fare as the train company have to sum up whether it will cost them more to take you to court
This proves that PFs don't work.geordie_taxi wrote: »ive done pick ups from the railway station always the same people in the back of the taxi laughing as they had a penalty fare again and not been done for fare dodging
As Stigy says, they are not a moneyspinner. However they are used where tickets are not effectively checked regularly. For example, on routes such as FCC, guards were removed, so there is no-one to check tickets on board - unless an RPI boards - which is rare (in my experience). So, it's a way of trying to save costs by employing less staff.
Absolutely! But, again, this is further evidence to me that PFs do not work and are mis-understood by some staff and the general public.thursdaynext wrote: »I did think that PFs were for fare dodgers, so thanks for enlightening me, I'll no longer think of myself as being labelled as such :A.
You should raise that as a concern. There are certain rules they have to follow, signs that have to be in place, that sort of thing. You may be able to get it repealed on some sort of technicality. Or, even if not, you may be able to help people in future by raising it as an issue.thursdaynext wrote: »But I can't help thinking that DLR/TFL do it on purpose to catch people out - on the swipe-in machines there's a small badly-lit window of text, and a beep you often can't hear in a busy DLR station like Canary Wharf, so it can be quite hard to see/hear that your card's validated.
OK, but I really would not risk the amount increasing to £50 or, worse, end up being prosecuted for non-payment of it. (A PF itself isn't criminal matter but not paying one can be)thursdaynext wrote: »I did eventually find a phone number with an actual person on the end & he tells me they sent a response to me on 27th December. He couldn't tell me what the response was, but he did say there's a couple of weeks grace if you appeal, so I haven't paid and am eagerly waiting to find out what they'll say...geordie_taxi wrote: »apparently they demand that the revenue bloke sells them a single ticket making the excuse that thats the first time they could get one due to ticket vending machine playing up at their station. then they take the penalty fare and laugh. apparently it hard to prove an "intent to avoid payment" or a bylaw offence if you have a valid ticket and excuse. this is what the punters tell me
It depends on the circumstances but the OP cannot make such a claim as he/she was using Oyster PAYG.
There are no Penalty Fares on National Rail services in the North East.geordie_taxi wrote: »cos if you travel in a penalty fare area without a ticket you get a penalty fare this is what happens up in the NE perhaps its different down your neck of the woods
True, but not necessarily at the first interchange. There is no requirement to obtain a ticket at an interchange if there is insufficient time to do so without incurring a delay to your journey. There is no defined time, so it is subjective.If you travel in any Penalty Fare area without a ticket you are Penalty Fared. However, if there's no way to buy a ticket (no working TVMs and Ticket Office closed for example), it's acceptable to buy a ticket at your earliest opportunity. This is usually on board the train, however at you destination or at your first interchange station is accepted. That being the case, PFs aren't issued.
I do wonder what he is referring to! Perhaps the Tyne & Wear Metro! In which case they are well-known for being 'desperate' or 'jobsworthy' and I think they are proud of the fact! For a few days (they didn't last long) they even had these posters...Either Jobsworth Revenue blokes or serial fare evaders who know how to play the system?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/18/article-0-0C849BCE000005DC-929_634x404.jpg the offensive posters were removed within days.0 -
Not shocked. Without reading the entire topic, he had a season ticket and was able to prove it, this isn't quite the same thing, is it?
isnt forgetting your season ticket a genuine mistake????????????It depends on the circumstances but the OP cannot make such a claim as he/she was using Oyster PAYG.
i was answering a question by stigy and has no relevance to the OP please will you follow the thread before postingThere are no Penalty Fares on National Rail services in the North East.
i never said anything about national rail but for your info the tyne and wear metro operates a penalty fare system fort you would have know that :rotfl:Fares Advisor & Oyster Specialist - Newdeal/ukRail Fares Workshop Accredited0 -
For a few days (they didn't last long) they even had these posters...the offensive posters were removed within days.
That's class, can not believe a Train Company would have that as it's Christmas fare evasion campaign poster, it's so wrong. But the important question is, do the RPI's in the North East really look like that?Whoa! This image violates our terms of use and has been removed from view0 -
On the evidence so far, everyone in the North East looks like that.Livingthedream wrote: »But the important question is, do the RPI's in the North East really look like that?
Have a look at Geordie_taxi's avatar. 0 -
Indeed it is. But do you not see that forgetting to bring proof that you had already paid for a journey is not the same as failing to touch in (ie, not paying for the journey)?geordie_taxi wrote: »isnt forgetting your season ticket a genuine mistake????????????
As I said before, I don't agree with PFs however it appears that the OP was treated correctly within the scope of the PF scheme.
Indeed it had no relevance, I was just clarifying that, not disagreeing.geordie_taxi wrote: »i was answering a question by stigy and has no relevance to the OP please will you follow the thread before posting
Ah, so I was right...geordie_taxi wrote: »
i never said anything about national rail but for your info the tyne and wear metro operates a penalty fare system fort you would have know that :rotfl:
... thanks for the confirmationI do wonder what he is referring to! Perhaps the Tyne & Wear Metro!
And yes, I did know that! 0
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