Could you carry on?

Strider590

starrystarry wrote: »

Your desire to show how clever you are demonstrates nothing more than your own insecurities. If you were half as smart as you think you are you wouldn't need to shout about it, people would just know.

I have no desire to show off anything, ive never been that way inclined at all.
In fact one of my favourite sayings is "there are those who can talk the talk and those who can walk the walk, those who talk can rarely walk".

"The empty vessel makes the most noise"

"The empty can rattles the most" or rather "The empty can rattles the most, The sound of your voice must soothe you. Hearing only what you want to hear. And knowing only what you've heard."

As I mention numerous times, past experience has taught me not to "show off", because it only brings about trouble from those who would see it as a threat to themselves.

My first experience of this (at work 10 years ago) was possibly when I was given free reign to hone automatic test procedures for a multi million £ electronics manufacturing process, I got a torrent of abuse from various levels of staff for "not doing anything useful" and when the hours of programming (and unpaid overtime) reduced wasted production time by over 300% all I got was snide remarks, nitpicking and people deliberately trying to crash the system.... Which they couldn't do anyway because i'd removed 100's of bugs!

I pretty much assume that the people giving me !!!!!! here are those very same types of people!!

starrystarry

You say you have no desire to show off, but then you bore the pants off us with another example of your unappreciated brilliance?

ceridwen

Sorry to hear your firm reacted like this.

I would certainly have expected some thanks and "material reward" of some description (promotion or bonus or something) in your position. At the very least - a "thank you" is due to you from your firm. Can't understand why the appropriate reaction didnt happen - but it sounds like its more to do with them than you (maybe a very insecure individual who doesnt know their job very well has got out a "dagger to stick in your back" because you've just shown them up?)

Hope it works out for you.

Strider590

Perhaps because im being accused here of all sorts of nonsense by people who don't even know me..... What else choice do I have?

starrystarry

Strider590 wrote: »

Perhaps because im being accused here of all sorts of nonsense by people who don't even know me..... What else choice do I have?

You don't get it do you? Stop shouting about how brilliant you are and people might actually start to listen to what you have to say. I don't just mean on this forum.

Strider590

I just told you, I don't......

yesican

Hey Strider590,
I know exactly what you're going through,in Sept 2010,after four years working in a company where my expertise was being looked down upon ,i quit to become a full time student.
I learnt so much of my IT skills while working in my brother's Software Engineering business.When he sold it and moved to States when he got an amazing position working for Google,i joined an IT company here in Scotland and the funny thing with my company is that,yes, i had some IT related diplomas here and there,because i didnt have a degree in IT,i was not allowed to work in the advanced IT dept.

I even offered to work for three months at half of my salary,my boss was like,you need a degree first.The weird thing is that on several occassions when the system was being temperamental,guess who'd be asked to deal with it while we waited for an Engineer from our main office in London?/-Me.
Yet,they wont even give me a job in the advanced Dept.To make it worse,my acting boss didnt like me much because every six months,i'd enquire about any junior jobs in the advanced IT dept.

In the end, after four years,i gave up and applied to go to uni.
I wish companies would give people a chance without asking for certificates left right and centre-as you never know how much someone knows upstairs.

Littlemissteapot

Strider590 wrote: »

The problem is fear, people fear those who pose a threat to their own little bubble.

Quite frankly if you don't bullsh!t your way through and kiss the right backsides, everybody and their dog will try to shoot you down.

Very few here have offered any sound advice whatsoever, only the usuall ignorance that comes from knowing nothing about a subject and just going along with others of the same mind.

I did no harm to anything or anyone, (there's some twisting of words going on here which im finding hard to follow) I pointed out a major security flaw which was quite frankly school boy stuff. I was asked on joining the company to give my own input the the way the IT stuff was run.

I've been criminalised because somebody went nuts, didn't understand what I was saying re the security and started throwing accusations around while I was not at work to defend myself.
This little outburst was in front of the entire office and while ive spoken to my manager and cleared the situation with him, im still faced with this nonsense from my co-workers.

Paint this up to be what you like, but I came here to ask whether you could work in an environment of distrust based purely on the fact you know more than certain other people!

I did no harm to anything or anyone, (there's some twisting of words going on here which im finding hard to follow) I pointed out a major security flaw which was quite frankly school boy stuff. I was asked on joining the company to give my own input the the way the IT stuff was run.

This part of your posting makes me feel for you now and would like to help with some suggestions as best as I can. You may not agree with the comments I make but I feel that they are valid and would like you to at least open your mind that they could help in resolving your issue by helping you to think ‘out-of-the-box’ and getting to a solution by yourself. Fortunately they do mirror many of the comment already posted.
Firstly, I understand that you are passionate about your work and take things seriously because you want the best for your organisation. However, I do think the way you’ve come across at work (and your postings) can be perceived as aggressive and arrogant etc and you are responsible for that because you wrote and described such things in your postings, no-one else did, and so, only YOU can change things. Understanding that your behaviour does have a profound effect on your colleagues will help you channel your passion and drive for a better working organisation. Although “Wastingmytime” I thought was a bit harsh, I do see a valid point. Enriching your softer-skill sets will enable you to be more influential at work. I can recommend reading – Influence, Science and Practice by Robert Cialdini as a beginners read for you and then expand.
Secondly, you say that you did no harm but from what I know about you from your OWN postings you come across as having a ‘chip on your shoulder’, you’re closed-minded and offensive. These traits could be what you are displaying UNINTENTIONALLY to your colleagues and even if you believe you did no harm I’m afraid your behaviour is PERCEIVED otherwise. Your words are not congruent with your behaviour.
I've been criminalised because somebody went nuts, didn't understand what I was saying re the security and started throwing accusations around while I was not at work to defend myself.
This little outburst was in front of the entire office and while ive spoken to my manager and cleared the situation with him, im still faced with this nonsense from my co-workers.


From your point, I see that there was a communication problem. Again improving your presentation/communication skills over time will lessen problems of this occurring. Increasing your verbal reasoning skills will also give the perception of broad-mindedness of which people tend to respect. The second part of the problem of your colleague’s outburst is an issue that is more HR but you can do some things that might pave the way for an easier life.
E.g 1) Did you ever go to the person who did the out-burst and ask them how you could have presented your idea differently, that would have been less up-setting to them. Apologise for upsetting them but request if they have a problem with you that they should come to you and that you will LISTEN to them and see how, in the future, you could convey your message in way that is more appropriate to them receiving it. It’s a skill that you will need to work on because your posting have shown me that you have created your own micro-environment that you are not open to anyone else’s feelings.
2) In your next meeting ask for 5 mins and then present a well rehearsed apology (I feel that you’ve just recoiled at this point but persevere) Let them know that you’ve understood that there was a mis-communication. It was not your intention but apologise that it occurred. Continue to say that you will work with those affected to come to a better understanding and hopefully a resolution that is acceptable to all concerned. Apologising about an event is not showing weakness, it showing that you recognise responsibility and are pro-active. Then move on emotionally/draw a line under it and focus on the future.
Paint this up to be what you like, but I came here to ask whether you could work in an environment of distrust based purely on the fact you know more than certain other people! The reason why you will not have a YES or NO answer from me is because I disagree that the distrust is based purely on the fact you know more than certain other people. I believe that the distrust has come from your colleague feeling insulted because YOU have miss-communicated your intentions through your presentation. I’m afraid you caused it and the effect was your colleague “blow-up” probably because it was the final straw as I perceive that there is a high probability that you have unknowingly insulted him/her before.
Also, if you do leave and go to another organisation there is a good chance that this scenario will be repeated because you haven’t learnt that in order to change the behaviour of those around you, you need to change your behaviour too!!!!. You are very quick to dismiss and demerit a lot of opinions and ideas on this thread because you have closed your mind.
The problem is fear, people fear those who pose a threat to their own little bubble. I think you are right, people are fearful when threatened and a threat usually comes from a person who is aggressive. Could this be aggressive person be YOU!!. Unintentionally or otherwise?
Quite frankly if you don't your way through and kiss the right backsides, everybody and their dog will try to shoot you down. I also use to think this but I grew up, changed my attitude and stopped blaming others for the lack of my progress and you should stop too. I don’t bullsh!t or kiss assand I feel I have respect from my colleagues. I changed my behaviour and got the results I wanted.
Very few here have offered any sound advice whatsoever, only the usuall ignorance that comes from knowing nothing about a subject and just going along with others of the same mind. It’s your choice to how you have interpreted the advice provided. However, if there is common theme presented to you that many people have supported then maybe, just maybe, the masses are correct. Even if you don’t like what people say, you can’t hide that fact that the way you have presented yourself and the information on subject is your failing and yours alone.

DavidF

Nobody has really answered the title of the thread which I regard as the main question.....My answer is No I couldn't carry on in the environment you find yourself in.
If you are looking for any other help/advice/answers then I would suggest to you that your next job search should be done with greater care. You clearly have a "Skill" and have a love of that skill. Do yourself a favour and get the "Pieces of paper" that you need to work in your field. Lets face it IF you are good then getting the degree's diploma's should be a breeze.
Either that or go hack something proper and make some serious cash and come back here and tell us all what you did.:D

WastingMyTime

Littlemissteapot wrote: »

Although “Wastingmytime” I thought was a bit harsh, I do see a valid point.

Littlemissiteapot - My apologies to you if I can across quite harsh and thank you for pointing it out to me. I hope that it didn't distract too much from the meaning of my point of view.