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November5th

SevenOfNine wrote: »

November5th wrote: »

Thing is, I need to know when they are fobbing me off about development time (they will say weeks for something that is days) tell them how long it should take and boy do they not like that!
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Would the development time not depend on what their existing schedule of work is. Perhaps it would only take days not weeks if they've nothing else on and prioritise what you want done to the top of the list.

Unfortunately, like most departments/staff nowadays, maybe they are trying to keep all the plates spinning, not just yours!

Oh, not that cruel! The days were always factored into the longer schedule depending on priorities. This particular tech team loved to stretch out jobs to obscene time frames. Cowboy builders, as it were.

WastingMyTime

If you think and talk to your co-workers in the same way as you have presented your above problem than I'm not surprised you have experienced the reaction,retaliation and disrespect that you have.

Scene 1: See yourself sitting in your office, working extremely hard, working excessive hours, not seeing your family as often as you like because of work, not doing the hobbies that bring you the most enjoyment because of having to work, not sitting in the sun on a hot sunny day and day-dreaming of your next biggest accomplishment because of work. And some person, who is employed to do a completely different job from you, comes right up to you and TELLS you how you are doing cr*ppy job. How do you feel-Insulted!! And that is what you've have just gone and done.

Scene2: Imagine that you to get up of your chair, stare in the face of this offensive/rude person and tell them in the most colorfulness of languages and the most expressive of words; exactly where to stick that particular opinion. You may get a demonstration!!! And that is what your co-workers/bosses have done to you!!!


Sound-like its you that needs to change not your co-workers because you are the common demominator as you've said "A situation ive been in with every single job ive had." So its not your co-workers that are at fault here, is it!. Its your BEHAVIOUR.

Sounds like you need to understand and vastly improve your PEOPLE Skills, COMMUNICATION skills, PERSPECTIVE skills, NEGOTIATION skills, Working in a TEAM skills, PRESENTATION skills etc and change your behaviour and attitude for the better, if you wish to have your ideas and opinions accepted by your co-workers.

Workers have reacted and retaliated against you and they do this because they don't like what BEHAVIOUR you have displayed. (And you have retaliated/reacted against them also). And to change people is only achieved by changing YOUR behaviour. By improving the above soft skill sets you will go along way to achieve your goals.

I'm afraid only you have caused this distrust and contempt in your organisation by your own behaviour. Change it for the better and the distrust and comtempt will stop and you will earn their respect. Yep, earn it because you have no right to think that with your knowledge and experience that you can command anyone else's respect. Respect is the Right of your co-workers to give to whom they believe deserves it but you have no Right to take it (or expect that you should have it) from them

You are also disrespecting your collegues knowledge and experience by stating that you know a darn more than anyone else at work. NO YOU DON'T! Its just your opinion and their opinion differs from yours. Their different opinion doesn't mean that they are wrong. Its just a different perspective that YOU should respect! but you have a great difficulty in handling if someone disagrees with you. Again you need to learn to improve your soft skills sets above.

Stick to your own core responsibilities of your job that are in your job description not what you think your responsibilities are - there's a huge diffence. Don't wonder in into areas that other people are paid to do because: 1) You're taking someone else's job from them and workers don't like that. 2) you're not doing your own job to the best of your ability because you are spreading yourself to thin. 3) Your not the boss. You are paid to do a certain job so do it. You're not paid to anyone else's job. If you have an issue, you have a right to raise it but not the right that expect that everyone is going to jump to your fiddle!. Believe me, you could be seen as a negative maverick. Also, your anger/frustration that you have shown in your original post is also mirrored by your collegues each and everytime that you don't jump to "fiddle" of your co-workers.

Change your behaviour because YOU are doing everything to your co-workers that you are complaining that they are doing to you.


You come across as passinate about your work but it comes through as arrogance, insolence, haughty, contemptuous, disdainful, condescending etc. Change how people see you and you will change your results for the better.

Strider590

^^ You don't have a clue buddy.

Co-operation is the key to successful business, sharing idea's and making full use of staff!
Im an engineer, I don't sit on my a*se doing just one simple job!
I was employed within a small company for my wide range of skills and whenever I try to help im shot down in flames and made to look like the bad guy. I realise I could be seen as a threat by those who are happy to lick stamps all day, but im not accustomed to the office environment and just how !!!!!y it can really be.
If we simply shut up the people who have the idea's we'd never have developed what we try to call a civilisation!

treetrunks

on the other side of the coin as an IT manager ive had to deal with hundreds of people who know a little bit about IT. The main problem for me is that they dont really see the implications of what they are doing and often dont have to deal with the consequences. One person talked about secretly making design changes themselves because it was quick, a development team has no idea this has been done but is responsible for any issues that it causes. Your changes may also cause issues for others. The OP talked about a system he created for combining logs that caused corruption through a USB stick. This is the sort of issue that should be picked up through testing and implementation and often causes the sort of delay that end users dont see. If you work in IT you are often faced with a lot of red tape and like many others i have lost hours in change control meeting discussing the impact of very minor software changes. We all hate it as much as the end user who has been waiting 6 months but at the end of the day its important and we deal with the consequences.

WastingMyTime

Strider590 wrote: »

^^.

Yet again you have proved my point which is: I'm entitled to have an opinion and it is just as good as yours!. Your behaviour from You don't have a clue buddy is disrespectful and insulting to my perspective on your problem and possible solution. You've invited my opinion by your posting publicly. I can now imagine you sitting in a brainstorming meeting and insulting very one around you with the attitude of You don't have a clue buddy!. and therefore I still conclude that your behaviour is still the problem.


Co-operation is the key to successful business, sharing idea's and making full use of staff!
I agree but so far you have not shown to me that you co-operate. You only have shown that you think that your way is the only way and everyone one around you is an idiot. Bad attitude to have and people don't like it and start giving you problems like removing access rights (original post). Secondly, please note the brainstorming senario above and make a connection with co-operation.


Im an engineer, I don't sit on my a*se doing just one simple job! Never said you did just one simple job. I said DO YOUR JOB and only YOUR JOB.

I was employed within a small company for my wide range of skills and whenever I try to help im shot down in flames and made to look like the bad guy.

No you weren't made to look like the bad guy. You just felt like the bad guy and you are blaming others for your own feelings. No-one can make you feel anything, if you don't want to feel like that. Take responsibility and stop blaming others. Take a course in assertiveness and learn about human behaviour.

I realise I could be seen as a threat by those who are happy to lick stamps all day, but im not accustomed to the office environment and just how !!!!!y it can really be. No, you are only a threat to someone if they allow you to be and they are not. Again, your attitude needs changing. You've insulted someone in your organisation, a working collegue, a valued member of your team (and this is what you call co-operation in your organisation???). Licking stamps could be exactly what they are paid to do!!! Stop insulting your work collegues because it is a behaviour that is damaging to you, your reputation and your organisation.

If we simply shut up the people who have the idea's we'd never have developed what we try to call a civilisation!

. Never told you to shut-up and never told you to stop presenting your ideas. What I said was if you learn how to PRESENT and COMMUNICATE EFFECTIVELY your opinions will be heard and you will have a better chance of success because if you ever said in one of my meetings "You don't have a clue buddy" every one of my collegues will turn their backs on you, will no longer respect you and will not want to take on any one of your ideas (not matter how good you think they are). Sounds like the problem you've just posted!!!!!

So, I again will say that in my opinion and solve your problem you need to change your behaviour.

NB. Co-operation is not the only key to a successful business: Goals and unity, creativity, negotiation, financial, team-working, encouraging GOOD Behaviour, Rewards, maximisation of resources which also includes 'just do your job - whatever it is' Improving your value chain etc, etc, etc,

Strider590

treetrunks wrote: »

The OP talked about a system he created for combining logs that caused corruption through a USB stick.

If you think a few batch/VBS files for moving log files onto a backup server can cause the corruption of a USB drive on a PC on the other side of the god damn factory, then your not selling yourself as much of an IT manager.......

Or at least not to me your not....... Secret i'll let you into, technical people like myself, we don't "sing from the same hymn sheet" or "moving forward" in management meetings, but we can spot the "learn a few big words" bullsh!tter a mile away.

Freddie_Snowbits

We were created with one mouth and two ears, we should use them in that proportion. As for OP not getting what you want, problem is you show them the problem, which means work and labour. If you want to get on, do not be the problem, but the solution. So next time you decide to attack or hack your company's network, show how easy it is to fix the issues rather than exploiting them.

Littlemissteapot

Strider590 wrote: »

If you think a few batch/VBS files for moving log files onto a backup server can cause the corruption of a USB drive on a PC on the other side of the god damn factory, then your not selling yourself as much of an IT manager.......

Or at least not to me your not....... Secret i'll let you into, technical people like myself, we don't "sing from the same hymn sheet" or "moving forward" in management meetings, but we can spot the "learn a few big words" bullsh!tter a mile away.

Not only do you insult your collegues but also insult those who are trying to help you solve your problem. I hope that you don't do this at work but alias I think you do.

Be grateful that people are trying to help. You might not like what they suggest but accepting/understanding that people have different ideas enriches your ability to solve the problem.

Be gracious to a community that is willing to help and nuture it because so far all I have seen is your bad manners and rudeness.

slugger09

Although not in IT I had a similar problem and I've stuck it for 5 years! I had 10 years experience previous, I had qualifications and I don't mind to sound rude or up myselft but there is no other way to put it, I had more experience and qualifications that any of my co workers fact! Started the job to discover it got given to the employers nephew who needed a job, so I got all the menial work that an apprentice should be getting and that I got as an apprentice, as it was a new company and those involved didn't have as much experience as me I suggested ways of doing things, but no one listened, and I'm a shy person so I don't go around acting like a know it all, just occasionally when things where going wrong I would make suggestions. 5 years on I have never progressed, in fact today just got moved to a new department in something I know nothing about, but for 5 years I felt like you feel, in fact I have always been treated like the apprentice carpenter even though I am the only actual carpenter/tradesman in there.