One in six employers won't hire young people

MRSTITTLEMOUSE

ILW wrote: »

As more and more not very bright people are get degrees, their value just decreases. And so will the average graduate pay.

That's where a big problem lies,degrees are becoming pretty worthless and so will graduates as everyman and his wife gets a degree in something or other.
It's only obvious employers will prefer experience over youth,whether or not they should is another question but since they call the shots its up to them in the end.

wotsthat

MRSTITTLEMOUSE wrote: »

That's where a big problem lies,degrees are becoming pretty worthless and so will graduates as everyman and his wife gets a degree in something or other.

You assume that employers are stupid.

Maybe they can spot the difference between a first in maths and a pass in surfing.

ILW

wotsthat wrote: »

You assume that employers are stupid.

Maybe they can spot the difference between a first in maths and a pass in surfing.

Trouble is that the ones with a pass in surfing expect to get "graduate" jobs and salaries. I guess reality will strike at some point.

Generali

wymondham wrote: »

You're up late Gen - drowning your sorrows .... ;-)

Ha ha, certainly not drowning my sorrows!

It's reasonably early evening here: 9.25pm.

abaxas

ILW wrote: »

As more and more not very bright people are get degrees, their value just decreases. And so will the average graduate pay.

I keep saying this, so hopefully people will notice.

A degree has no educational value as it is a bit of paper given out by a university. It's only value is in people's belief that it has value.

Take these examples.

1) Non honours part-time degree at Newcastle University for 6 years attendance. No exams or coursework.
2) Clause at Durham that is the library burns down everyone automatically gets a 2-1.

It's a bit of paper, nothing more, nothing less. Why do we insist that people get something that has no value?

ILW

abaxas wrote: »

I keep saying this, so hopefully people will notice.

A degree has no educational value as it is a bit of paper given out by a university. It's only value is in people's belief that it has value.

Take these examples.

1) Non honours part-time degree at Newcastle University for 6 years attendance. No exams or coursework.
2) Clause at Durham that is the library burns down everyone automatically gets a 2-1.

It's a bit of paper, nothing more, nothing less. Why do we insist that people get something that has no value?

You are joking, ....... aren't you?

abaxas

ILW wrote: »

You are joking, ....... aren't you?

Sadly not.

wotsthat

ILW wrote: »

Trouble is that the ones with a pass in surfing expect to get "graduate" jobs and salaries. I guess reality will strike at some point.

For anyone with a Mickey Mouse degree I suspect reality strikes at exactly the same time i.e. when they try to get a job.

To me the article highlights the fact that employers can tell the difference between good qualifications and poor qualifications. If you are presented with a 16 year old school leaver with no experience and p**s poor qualifications it's a leap of faith to take them on.

I've been helping my son revise for GCSE maths and I don't care what people say I can see for myself that the exams are easier than they used to be. Pick any past paper and you can be pretty much sure that it'll be repeated next time.

My opinion is that anyone who doesn't achieve a C at GCSE maths is either educationally challenged or simply hasn't done enough work - the vast majority will fall into the latter category.

ILW

wotsthat wrote: »

For anyone with a Mickey Mouse degree I suspect reality strikes at exactly the same time i.e. when they try to get a job.

T.

Must be a bit sickening to find out that you have just wasted 3 years and got yourself into massive debt for nothing. I wonder if that is why there seems to be a sort of group denial?

abaxas

ILW wrote: »

Must be a bit sickening to find out that you have just wasted 3 years and got yourself into massive debt for nothing. I wonder if that is why there seems to be a sort of group denial?

The other problem is the worst offenders for 'Mickey Mouse' degrees are the red brick universities.

Many a degree has been granted for 'being good at sport', 'being the son of someone influential' etc.

The worst case I saw was someone got a 2-1 in homosexuality. Basically he failed his 3rd year, said it was because he was coming out and hence was granted a 2-1.

Something needs to change, don't you think?