Hills, snow and ice

Wig

At runtime 0:04 to 0:10 you can see the rumble strip at the centre of his bonnet, his car is bouncing around because he is driving through deep snow. You can also see the 4x4 driving in lane 2 has the dotted white lines of lane1/2 right next to his wheels, a very great distance away from the videomakers car. The centre bit of snow of lane 1 (between the two tyre tracks of lane 1) is hitting the bonnet off camera to the extreme right.

0:35 to 0:55 He is now inside lane 1 with his tail between his legs, the dashed white line is in the appropriate place for him now to be positioned in lane 1, the centre bit of snow of lane 1 (between the two tyre tracks of lane 1) is now hitting his bonnet in the centre where the rumble strip had previously hit.

All of which proves he was driving in the deep snow of the hard shoulder playing the fool..... and continued inside lane 1 after the crash.

cyclonebri1

Inactive wrote: »

The only time that I see them " off road " is when they are parked on and blocking the pavement outside the local school.

Same here. and usually the 2 "off road wheels" are accross my drive,:mad:, boy do I hate the school run, ;)

Inactive

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

Same here. and usually the 2 "off road wheels" are accross my drive,:mad:, boy do I hate the school run, ;)

They do it outside my Daughters house as well, she struggles to get past them with her pushchair, but as it is pavement, she just pushes on regardless.;)

anewman

Does anyone have any experience of driving with technology like ESP in the snow/ice? Does it really help? I understand the way it works is to monitor wheel speed and if one deviates to apply the brakes to the others or something. It sounds great, but in practice but I can't imagine it would be totally infallible, especially if going out of control at great speed.

cyclonebri1

anewman wrote: »

Does anyone have any experience of driving with technology like ESP in the snow/ice? Does it really help? I understand the way it works is to monitor wheel speed and if one deviates to apply the brakes to the others or something. It sounds great, but in practice but I can't imagine it would be totally infallible, especially if going out of control at great speed.

Answer = no


But, you are a sensible bloke, do you really need this *rap to enable you to drive in snow??

I do know the answer is NO, :T

And the serious answer is nothing is infalible, not even me, sorry, you,............ ;);););););)

mikey72

anewman wrote: »

Does anyone have any experience of driving with technology like ESP in the snow/ice? Does it really help? I understand the way it works is to monitor wheel speed and if one deviates to apply the brakes to the others or something. It sounds great, but in practice but I can't imagine it would be totally infallible, especially if going out of control at great speed.

It'll stop you going out of control, well beyond the point you or I could manage. Don't know about totally infallible, but you'll do a lot better with then without.
YouTube "car esp on snow", or just "esp on snow" and there's some trucks there too.

tomstickland

darich wrote: »

The engine and transmission will help slow you down so by selecting neutral you're increasing your stopping distance.

I'll be reducing my stopping distance by applying the brakes.

I'm talking about driving down icy hills here btw.
If I use the engine to slow me down then it will be doing it via the front wheels alone.

It's funny that some folk seem to think they're better than the safety devices built into cars. No doubt you disable your airbag and rely on a large cushion connected to a driver operated footpump because you probably think you're faster than the explosive that inflates the airbag.

Since when has the engine and gearbox been classified as a safety device?

Let me know when you're going out so I can avoid you please.

You want to avoid someone using a technique to provide better control on icy hills. Best of luck to you.

Lum

anewman wrote: »

Does anyone have any experience of driving with technology like ESP in the snow/ice? Does it really help? I understand the way it works is to monitor wheel speed and if one deviates to apply the brakes to the others or something. It sounds great, but in practice but I can't imagine it would be totally infallible, especially if going out of control at great speed.

Trying to get up a snowy hill in the Mondeo, had a decent run up and plenty of momentum, but ESP was going bonkers causing me to lose traction all the time.

Carefully reversed down, turned off the ESP, and got up the hill no problem.

Pew_Pew_Pew_Lasers!

anewman wrote: »

Does anyone have any experience of driving with technology like ESP in the snow/ice? Does it really help? I understand the way it works is to monitor wheel speed and if one deviates to apply the brakes to the others or something. It sounds great, but in practice but I can't imagine it would be totally infallible, especially if going out of control at great speed.

It does a very good job but it isn't a replacement for safe driving. I have it on the two driven wheels of my car, I've only seen it flash once while driving at speed, and that was as I accelerated on the motorway, and two wheels went through a puddle of water unseen on the edge of the carriageway.

In the snow and ice it would help keep the car in a straight line, but it cannot overcome the laws of physics, and if your tyres are unable to grip the surface, you'll slide.

alastairq

Since when has the engine and gearbox been classified as a safety device?

depends what you think 'safety' really is all about?

The poster selecting neutral on the move is really creating a one tonne toboggan.

If a skid is detected, then by all means [if you have one] depress the clutch pedal, adjust steering as needs be, to re-acquire position and direction, then put foot on gas pedal, increase revs to point you consider they would be, if drive still in place..then release the clutch, so no abrupt transition occurs.

Selecting neutral places the vehicle in a 'coasting' condition....not a good idea.... especially when it comes to re-acquiring a gear! [which may not happen]