Parking a HGV in a residential street?

Lum

You see I don't get that. Surely the whole point of a truckstop is to provide somewhere for trucks to park so that they don't have to park on residential streets, so if there is a truckstop in your area then you're less likely to find one parked half way up your road. As a bonus they provide food that's a lot nicer and half the price of a motorway services, at least that's the case for the only two truckstops I know.

Are people really that thick that they can't figure this out? Actually, I just remembered some of the tech support calls I took last week, so no need to answer that question.

Inactive

This may be area specific ..??


http://siryfflint.gov.uk/wps/portal/english/services?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/web+content/flintshire/english/faqs/100011faq/what+can+i+do+about+hgvs+parking+in+my+street

pelirocco

paddedjohn wrote: »

it doesnt matter if its for private use or commercial, you dont need an operators license to purchase a truck

Actually if you are buying it through finance , the finance company will want to see your licence , they run the risk of having the lorry crushed if there is no valid licence .

HGV 's dont have to be back at the operating centre every night

pelirocco

Hammyman wrote: »

Indeed. One of the latest ones to be campaigned against was at Thurrock. It was on an industrial estate/retail park and the routes in and out didn't come anywhere near residential areas yet it didn't stop the "Think of the Chiiiilllldruuuunnn" brigade campaigning against it.

There was a rail hub planned just off a motorway junction off the M25 which would have transported lorries to the midlands from the SE cutting millions of lorry journeys off the M1/M6. Even though there was going to be onsite parking for 300 lorries and the access road to it was 2 miles off the M25 up a dual carriageway, the NIMBYS in the area got it blocked, claiming there would be loads of lorries parked on residential streets. So for everyone on the M1, M6, M11 and A14 you can thank selfish gets in the South East for additional congestion.

The NIMBYS are quite stupid on the whole. They seem incapable of understanding that lorries are parked on residential streets and streets in their towns simply because they have nowhere else to go. So the NIMBYs in effect are campaiging to keep the status quo which the obviously like, despite their complaints about lorries parking on their roads.

or the fact that the goods they buy dont just magically appear on the shelves

spiro

Quoting from the Highway code:

Rule 240
You MUST NOT stop or park on

• the carriageway or the hard shoulder of a motorway except in an emergency (see Rule 270)
• a pedestrian crossing, including the area marked by the zig-zag lines (see Rule 191)
• a clearway (see 'Traffic signs')
• taxi bays as indicated by upright signs and markings
• an urban clearway within its hours of operation, even when a broken white line is on your side of the road, except to pick up or set down passengers (see 'Traffic signs')
• a road marked with double white lines, except to pick up or set down passengers
• a tram or cycle lane during its period of operation
• a cycle track
• red lines, in the case of specially designated ‘red routes’, unless otherwise indicated by signs

Rule 242

You MUST NOT leave your vehicle or trailer in a dangerous position or where it causes any unnecessary obstruction of the road.

Rule 246

Goods vehicles. Vehicles with a maximum laden weight of over 7.5 tonnes (including any trailer) MUST NOT be parked on a verge, pavement or any land situated between carriageways, without police permission. The only exception is when parking is essential for loading and unloading, in which case the vehicle MUST NOT be left unattended.

Rule 248

You MUST NOT park on a road at night facing against the direction of the traffic flow unless in a recognised parking space.

Rule 250

Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding 1525 kg unladen weight, invalid carriages, motorcycles and pedal cycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph (48 km/h) or less if they are

• at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
• in a recognised parking place or lay-by

Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.

In my area (Stevenage), lots of roads have signs saying vehicles over 7.5t are not allowed to park on them overnight (hours are specified).

mrbadexample

paddedjohn wrote: »

it doesnt matter if its for private use or commercial, you dont need an operators license to purchase a truck

:think: Ok, I give up. Where did I say that you did? :huh:

mrbadexample

Hammyman wrote: »

!!!!!!. The claim was you needed an O licence to buy a lorry. You don't even if its bought by a business

!!!!!!. I have not at any point claimed that you need an operators' licence to buy a lorry. Perhaps you'd be better off addressing your reply to someone that did.

Hammyman wrote: »

You can buy a lorry as a business without an O licence and do what the hell you want with it without an O licence.

You can? :eek:

Hammyman wrote: »

It needs an O licence when used for the carrying of goods for own business or for profit. UNTIL THAT POINT it doesn't need an O licence.

Oh. So, you can't "do what the hell you want with it" then? :rotfl:

I am quite familiar with operator licensing, and the applicable exemptions, thank you. So, I'll just help you out with your scenario (which, incidentally, is entirely irrelevant to the thread):

Hammyman wrote: »

If I buy a rigid lorry, stick a generator on the back and use it as a portable power source, it doesn't need an O licence, even if its used in the course of my business, provided that the only goods I carry on it are required for use in connection with the generator or the running of the vehicle.

There, that's better. Should keep you out of trouble.

The vehicle noted by the OP is:

clever_username wrote: »

one of the lorries used to deliver bricks and building supplies on pallets, made up of a flat-bed lorry with a similar-sized trailer.

The chances of this particular vehicle being exempt from operator licensing are so slim as to be negligible. I have chosen to respond to the OP with correct information as is applicable to their situation.

I have not, as you have done, applied irrelevant scenarios to meet your own ends, purely because you are a lorry driver who would like to park wherever you want.

Happy to discuss further, should you wish.

Bowling_4_Gold

Hammyman wrote: »

WRONG - COMPLETELY WRONG. They only have to have an "operating center" if they use the lorry in the course of business, not to buy one. Also they don't have to park in the operating center if they're delivering away or do you really expect a lorry from London to get to the top end of Scotland and back to its base in London in the 9hrs driving limit?

Oh wow...

Bowling_4_Gold wrote: »

Surely if they were banned from parking anywhere, drivers wouldn't be able to sleep or take the statutory break they must have every 4 hours?

You may have seen that I understand this if you'd have read my reply just 3 posts down from my original response.

Gene_Hunt_2

spiro wrote: »

Quoting from the Highway code:

Rule 240

You MUST NOT stop or park on

• the carriageway or the hard shoulder of a motorway except in an emergency (see Rule 270)
• a pedestrian crossing, including the area marked by the zig-zag lines (see Rule 191)
• a clearway (see 'Traffic signs')
• taxi bays as indicated by upright signs and markings
• an urban clearway within its hours of operation, even when a broken white line is on your side of the road, except to pick up or set down passengers (see 'Traffic signs')
• a road marked with double white lines, except to pick up or set down passengers
• a tram or cycle lane during its period of operation
• a cycle track
• red lines, in the case of specially designated ‘red routes’, unless otherwise indicated by signs

Rule 242

You MUST NOT leave your vehicle or trailer in a dangerous position or where it causes any unnecessary obstruction of the road.

Rule 246

Goods vehicles. Vehicles with a maximum laden weight of over 7.5 tonnes (including any trailer) MUST NOT be parked on a verge, pavement or any land situated between carriageways, without police permission. The only exception is when parking is essential for loading and unloading, in which case the vehicle MUST NOT be left unattended.

Rule 248

You MUST NOT park on a road at night facing against the direction of the traffic flow unless in a recognised parking space.

Rule 250


Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding 1525 kg unladen weight, invalid carriages, motorcycles and pedal cycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph (48 km/h) or less if they are

• at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
• in a recognised parking place or lay-by

Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.

In my area (Stevenage), lots of roads have signs saying vehicles over 7.5t are not allowed to park on them overnight (hours are specified).

Thanks for that.

So there's no offence unless the OP lives near you.

dacouch

Hammyman wrote: »

I've had plenty of jobs where I've had no choice to overnight on residential streets because quite simply there was no other place to stop.

There was one job I did delivering gravestones in Scotland where it would be pretty much the same place every week. Unliike you selfish barstewards though, the Scots are able to understand the link between lorries and the goods they buy.

Sounds like you must have parked in the dead centre of Scotand